Matilda

There are plenty of other words could be substituted for chav, kavv. I'm sorry but I do judge the use of the term

I'm sure the OP didn't mean any harm it was just a badly worded way of expressing her doubts.

to try and give another 2 pence from opposing view, rather than chavy I think tis overly sloany! There was an annoying, smug, upper/middle class father on the train his entire conversation with his chum was to show off about his grand life for all to hear, then he refers to his daughter and says " well Matilda did did this.." and I throught euuughhhh horrid, and so typical, trying to be all bohemian and different in his vain attempt to escape being such a dull, average, middle class man (in that Katie Hopkins way) .So no, based on him do not like the name, just a bit try hard...sorry.

Exactly what tranquility said.

No reason to be mortified at all.

Those of us that can read understood what you meant and as for calling you rude names that was unacceptable by that particular person so please don't take any of it to heart.

Looki you really have nothing to be mortified about. Your OP was perfectly fine, it's just other less desirable comments spoilt the thread.

Note to self - don't post name opinion posts on MN, wouldn't fancy being called a knob unjustifiably!

To reiterate my earlier point. I don't believe anyone including the OP was suggesting a) that Matilda was a chav name or b) that the use of the word chav was ideal.

I thought she was merely attempting to explain that a previous well loved name had been described as such, and she was trying to outline what it had been described as to avoid confusion.

Unfortunately confusion ( and offence) has abounded.

IMHO Matilda is a perfectly nice name. And while I don't love the term chav or chavvy, I understand that some people use it as a shorthand when describing a particular socio economic group or culture. I don't read it as offensive but I can see that others must do.

Will people never learn

I did wonder why a thread about the name Matilda was so long.

Anyhoo, I like it. It's like Tabitha. But spelt competely differently.

Agree, coconutty.

For what it's worth, Matilda is highly tipped to be used by Kate & Wills if they have a girl in April. Apparently it is one of the very few names that has the royal history, lineage etc that fits in with the protocol along with Elizabeth, Victoria, Mary & Alexandra. So there. Nothing chavvy about that whatsoever.

Yes, ressy he was probably right about the Scottish referendum too

And I think re your earlier remark, a lot of people choose a name which they believe to be fairly unusual only to meet two or three ( or more!) children with the same name shortly thereafter. How annoying!

It is very popular now, that is true

He was not just a little bit right though. He was properly superciliously right. He might be a mumsnetter

Empress Matilda was a well known chav

Seriously, though, where did you hear that, OP? And we need to know the other name in order to fully answer your query

My own daughter is named Matilda (well it's one of her names, I'm not exactly outing her by saying that). It's a proper name, not made up, no random scrabble pieces involved in the spelling and has a long history of use. I couldn't care what opinions on 'chaviness' (or not) are beyond that.

The last time I saw David mc Williams he was discussing the independence referendum, endorsing the Yes vote.

I'm sure you're right, squoosh but my point was more that people will try and signal certain aspirations by what names they choose, in Ireland as elsewhere.

Tbh I think I might have a wee touch of the ' HiCos' about me. But just a touch < eyes Avoca cookbook>

I think David McWilliams spends most of his time these days saying 'I told you there'd be a crash, I told you!'

soundsslightlystrident I agree that a Naoise or a Fiachra most likely comes from a middle class Dublin family but I don't there's anything like the forensic level examination of names as class markers that I see here. Emma and Josh are as likely to be found in Ranelagh as they are in Ballyfermot.

Nice, solid name.

I just personally find it a bit boring but nothing wrong with it!

It does seem popular too, we know 4 under 5s.

True. Scrolling through ancient scrolls for more and more obscure Irish names.

I give some of those a quick sideways eye roll too. That was a scarily astute book! What's he up to now David Mcw?

oh dear, this thread has gone downhill. I don't think OP will be coming back to this thread.
For what it's worth, I would not have wanted to cause anyone offence by suggesting that names can be chavvy or badly thought of. I was merely expressing an opinion based on my experiences. Squoosh, if you were offended, then I apologise.

But ressy this phenomenon does exist in Ireland, in a sl different guise? David mc Williams book 'the popes children' mocks the 'Hibernian cosmopolitans' and their love of gaelic names, there more obscure the better ('uachtar reoite phenomenon' my friend calls it!) as a way of distinguishing themselves from the 'decklanders' with their emmas and joshes

No class obsession in my area of Britain either. In parts of London possibly, but not Britain as a whole.

actually it's a complicated double bluff, and I have a weather girl blonde bob!

Talking of double bluffs leads me on to oxymorons, this debate might be a bit like Goodwin's law. Where, if you label somebody else a chav no matter how tempting it is, you're one too. I don't do that but I've been guilty of the sideways eye roll. God knows what I'm thinking and some days he's not impressed.

I'm reminded of a joke. It goes like this. they say that one in four people is Chinese. Well, it's not me Mam, it's not me Da and it's not our colin, so it must be me.

The British class obsession.

I must be well out of it where I am as there is nothing like that where I am.

Maybe some people are just paranoid and insecure about their own situation.

No, sadly your words lack much power.