I don't normally go 'oh nooooo!', but ...

"You've obviously no idea about the historical records and registers of Scotland. that's blatantly clear."

Well, I certainly know more than you, as previous posts show. You've made quite the twit of yourself, growing defensive at being shown to be incorrect.

No, I didn't use google. Not at all.

But if it is possible to find the info I did using Google, than perhaps you should have You still can you know

Snigger. So you can use google.
Congratulations.

You've obviously no idea about the historical records and registers of Scotland. that's blatantly clear. You've obviously never even heard of the 1617 Act, far less understand its significance in national records.

But you can use google and cite random "facts" about "plenty" of examples. Wow.

"it's not a name I've ever come across in RL or in more than 30 years of working in Scottish records, where I probably seeing upwards of 500 names per day. And as our records go back to the Registration Act of 1617,
I think that qualifies, don't you?"

No , I don't think that does 'qualify'. This is the internet, you can say anything you like, and the lack of knowledge shown in your previous post. makes me doubtful...

No, more than one example in the 1700s. Plenty more 1800s onwards, and that was the briefest of surface searches. Not so many examples in England, however.

We'll stick to the first name, then Still been used in Scotland for a few centuries.

it's not a name I've ever come across in RL or in more than 30 years of working in Scottish records, where I probably seeing upwards of 500 names per day. And as our records go back to the Registration Act of 1617, I think that qualifies, don't you?

But hey, you've found one example from around about the 1700s, so that proves... well, it proves Dallas was used at least once. So in 100 years time that means Jodiemaus will also be "an old Scottish name" too I suppose?

As this thread is not talking about surnames I'm not sure why you felt it necessary to throw in that little gem about Dallas as a surname. it is fairly common all across the world for people to have surnames related to places or occupations and as both I and Redhead said Dallas is a wee village but not known as a forename in Scotland.

What do you class as old, Katiekaye?

A very brief search of records shows Dallas was used in Scotland, as a first name, at least as early as the 1700s. As a surname centuries before that.

I'd say Panda was correct

Dallas isn't an old Scottish name. I don't know where you heard that, Panda, but it simply isn't true.

Dallas is the name of a very small village up in Moray.

Panda, I have never come across another Dallas, ever. It is a place name in Scotland, of a tiny village of under 200 people. this child i referred to was born in the 80s, and his mother was a fan of the programme. the mother's best friend called her kid Lancelot.

I think that Jean Harlow's real name was Harlean Carpenter, so perhaps it does exist as a variant?

Sorry - that should have been to Redhead

Dallas is an old Scottish name silvery

Michael, Michelle and Micheala

Similar names, not the same. From, and forms of, the same root name would be more accurate.

Yes there is/was a trend amongst some of the african-american community to use particular non standard spellings. That's one of the possibilities I point out when somebody posts a list of 'awful' names from America for us all to ridicule and exclaim over.

And i forgot Jodiemouse (a boy), Dallas and Lancelot, who all came from the same area of the town i lived in.

When i was a student on teaching practice in a poor area of the city, i had 3 siblings in various classes called Michael, Michelle and Micheala. they didn't know that they all had the same name...

And then there was the person i knew who wanted to call a potential son Liam William and wondered why everyone stared at her like she had grown an extra head. she didn't know they were the same name.

Molotov, about the racism: I don't know if this stands true for the UK, but in the US there's a significant correlation between certain types of name and race. African-American naming trends skew towards creative spelling variants.

Some of the most popular* African-American girls names in the US so far this year:

Makayla
Carlee
Jordyn
Journee
Aubree

(*According to the Unusual Names blog, which is compulsively readable if you're into mad names. Somewhere out there is a little girl called Legendary. And an Emmadonna. And there are 25 spelling variants of Aiden.)

Speaking of Legendary... names derived from adjectives or abstract nouns are also strongly represented: Heavenly, Serenity, Destiny etc. And in the 1970s and 80s it was popular for African-American names to use certain prefixes like La-, Da-, Sha- and suffixes like -asha, -iqua, -nisha. Tanisha, Shaniqua, etc. It was also quite common to add punctuation (but not in the bullshit 'La-a' way).

What I'm trying to say is, if you're going to lampoon non-standard spellings and other Mumsnet hates (I'm sure Destiny and Neveah and Shaniqua and Mo'Nique would go down a treat in the Baby Names section)... then eventually you might end up listing a lot of names that are considered 'black'. Doesn't mean you're racist. But people aren't just 'looking for problems' if they point out it sounds a bit dodgy.

There's a LiLu at dd's Playgroup. Pronounced 'Lee Loo'. I said it was unusual to the dad and he said they'd chosen it because they'd never heard anyone else called it. No shit!!

Quite right, sublime.

That's what crops up most often in these threads is that some of the spellings and variants criticised are valid spellings and variants, that the poster has no knowledge of.

The Isobels, the Catherines, and the Harleys (along with many many other examples) will all likely have to spell out their names.

Kacper is the Polish equivalent of Casper

So what are your kids called op?

I think this thread is horrible, agreeing with whoever said. And the classist undertones from some.

I don't know if I'd say it was racist, exactly, but definitely at talk about them there foreigners and whether it's acceptable to use a name not connected to your country of origin. It comes across as, dare I say, a bit dim.

"The reason I hate these names is as someone said up thread, these poor kids have a lifetime of correcting people"

Like Isabel, Isobel, Isabelle, Isobelle and any other name (most names then) with 'valid' variant spellings! I think that argument falls rather flat.

The reason I hate these names is as someone said up thread, these poor kids have a lifetime of correcting people.
I have a horrendous surname, in that it can be mispronounced (as the first part is the same as another popular surname but has ING instead of ON on the end) and miss spelt as when you say it people just don't listen and automatically put the ON on the end. I always have to spell it or correct people in everyday life.
The thought of giving my daughter a miss spelt first name gives me shudders. Which is why we gave her a simple 5 letter no nonsense first name. But people still think of the most complicated spelling and put EE on the end instead of Y !!

But Trazzletoes, they'd only have heard the name in the context of people laughing at it. That's the only place it exists. No famous La-as; no one's got a sister or grandma called La-a.

So, instead of believing that this is the millionth repetition of a very well-known urban legend, you really think that someone out there has a) heard a name being mocked, b) decided to use it for their kid, and c) then became incredulous and annoyed that it was mocked and misunderstood in the same way as when they first heard it. Oh, and d) now someone's telling a story about this on the internet which is identical to the original story from which the mad name was derived.

I'll believe it when e) they're in a baity Daily Mail article making a sadface and asking 'why can no one pronounce my DD's name'?

99.9999999% more likely is that it's the same urban legend still going strong.

In real life, I think people who give their DC creatively-spelled names WANT them to have the attention of having to spell it out, of correcting people and saying it over and over. They think it'll make them different and special and memorable. Imagine if your mother had decided to spell your name Pseragh. She probably wouldn't be annoyed if people saw it written and mispronounced it; she'd be happy to set them straight and show what a creative yoonique family you are.