Jayden

As the dog returns to its vomit, so I do I to this thread because it really is such a delicious microcosm of what makes the internet such a fascinating playground.

Some on the thread decry me as a 'snobby fucker' who sneers at the WC and 'looks down on them' whereas others see me as a lower middle class bundle of nueroses, so desperate to escape her working class roots!

Or maybe this is the same criticism? I dunno.

But it's cheered me up, because I thought I must be an awful person hut now it is clear that people bring what they want to bring to a thread and if they are determined to believe that I have actively and personally attacked people's children and foretold some awful fate will befall them by virtue of their name... Well, it's not my problem and there is nothing I can do so I guess I will cease with the handwringing.

To those with a reading comprehension level above that of a five year old, I salute you.

"Even stranger that you imagine that your sweeping denigrations about people with WC backgrounds having Hyacinth Bucket style class hang-ups"

Only those seemingly obsessed with class to such ridiculous extent

"Your disinterest in how you appear or what anyone might think of you is crystal clear."

I'm not in the least interested in your view of me. It means nothing. I'm so glad that was clear.

Strange. I thought I'd been posting in defence of rational debate.

Even stranger that you imagine that your sweeping denigrations about people with WC backgrounds having Hyacinth Bucket style class hang-ups are actually witty put-downs of Spero, but do continue.

Your disinterest in how you appear or what anyone might think of you is crystal clear.

You've popped up on Spero's behalf for most of the thread, Fideliney. That is visible too.

And I'm really not interested in your opinion of me in the slightest.

I was commenting on your (continuing) pomposity on my own behalf mel.

It is visible to everyone you know.

I'm sure Spero can reply on her own behalf, Fideliney.

Thank you, though.

Wheras as your charm becomes more apparent with every new post meliscent

Sorry, I never did answer the OP. I'm really not a fan of the name Jayden. It's too faddy and will probably date, in my opinion.

Quite.

And I stand by what I said. Established MC people aren't so preoccupied with class. Spero's hand wringing on the topic had more than a touch of Hyacinth Bucket about it. And I found her comments about the care system, irrelevant, unprofessional, and certainly less than charming.

Some shocking reading comprehension in evidence on this thread.

I think Spero has been very gracious, and courteous, I only had a small exchange with her, and whilst we had different opinions, it was respectful.

I think it's enough now, reading through the last few posts makes me a little uncomfortable, she shouldn't be spoken to rudely.

Remarks were made by all, some you may agree with, some you don't, but it's a discussion, that's life, Spero doesn't need to apologise anymore. I think it's best this thread is ended before it gets too nasty.

That is utter crap.

Read the thread.

But you won't will you? You have your narrative and you are sticking to it.

I can applaud your tenacity if nothing else.

Sorry you feel that way.

It's not whinging to point out that the degree of venom and sheer dishonesty in many of the attacks on me were utterly bizarre, unwarranted and unfair.

But this is dead now isn't it?

I have tried to apologise for what I did do wrong or insensitively and all I get are more petty and ill natured rebukes.

So disappointed right back at you.

Sorry for my role in increasing circularity.

Usuals response to my post shows that there is indeed absolutely nothing to be gained but continued wear upon my typing thumbs, which are quite sore at the moment as you can imagine.

But Fid, if you end up with a new pup then something lovely has come out of this festering train wreck. Just don't give it a name that one of your friends is already using as a loving nickname for his baby, as I find that tends to introduce a certain froideur into the friendship...

Can I have it for my new heeler please? I'd love to yell that on the common I went looking for a dog to fit the name Jupiter, but that would be a pus for a heeler....

I'm deciding which pet would suit the name Ptolemy, as I didn't use it for ds5.

But I don't think my DH will let me get another pet. Hmmmmm, new husband called Ptolemy instead?

This is getting circular.

Is there anything else to be gained now? (Apart from the rather handsome lancashire heeler pup which I am >< this close to putting a deposit on thanks to this thread)

I was sent a message by a very wise mumsnetter suggesting that this might be such a trigger issue because some people do fear care proceedings and the involvement of the state, whereas I in my position of both legal and professional privilege do not have such a fear - if a social worker turned up at my door, I know I could deal with it.

I accept that argument and that I have probably been insensitive to blithely use care proceedings as examples to support my assertions.

In my defence, I used them because it's what I know, it's been my job for 15 years. Not to try to make anyone feel like shit.

But it has been a very good lesson in the need to be more thoughtful on a forum made up of people from so many different walks of life and different experiences - I just wish some people were less aggressive and offensive in how they expressed their upset and annoyance because the sheer amount of vitriol on display has probably elongated this thread by 15 more pages than was necessary.

I find all this going on about Spero's remarks really odd.
It has been said time and time again, that no one is claiming that everyone or even most people with a particular name will face a certain outcome in life, whether this is being in care or becoming a high court judge.
All of the comment a being made are generalisations about the outcomes for people with particular names. They are based on samples of thousands and thousands of people with those names, and are not individual predictions. Whilst it is not true that everyone with a particular name will end up in care (and anyone determined to be offended and take the comments as meaning this, seem daft to me) it will be true that certain names are statistically more likely to see their recipients in care, or as high court judges etc etc. These are simply statistical facts.
So if the OP likes the name Jayden, she can choose it without fear it means her boy will end up in care. It does not mean this. Jayden's maybe more highly represented amongst those in care (or not, I have no idea) but the the vast majority won't be in this position.

Some people are more aware of class connotations than others, as this thread shows. Several people have said that in real life, they have never met anyone who ,emotions or seems aware of the class implications of name choice. I don't know if this in itself says something about class or not. I do know that those choosing Jayden as a name might feel equally horrified at the idea of calling their child Horatio, as those calling theirs Sebastian might feel about Jayden.
Many people are aware of class connotations, but don't discuss them openly in real life. They do t want to be seen as snobby or judgemental, but most of us harbour a bit of that in our hearts. Here on an anonymous forum, we can be open about our prejudices. The OP asked for options and people gave them, including Spero. I really don't think she should be flamed for expressing her view and I don't think it should be seen as dangerous either. It might make people think about names in a way they haven't before. It may make people more determined to avoid certain names or less so. This is simply an area for debate.