Jayden

This is why I used the example of names that often popped up in care proceedings and have so pissed people off. Because I am afraid there ARE some names that crop up more than others. This is a fact and no amount of hating that fact or slagging me off changes it I am afraid. Would that it did. You could call me whatever you liked.

'Tyler' is not one of those names. I could list them if you like but that is probably not a good idea as it will increase by 100 fold the number of people who wish really unpleasant things to happen to me on this thread.

Spero gave her honest opinion based on her work experience. The rest if this thread is about some people not liking what they hear.

OP asked for honest opinions. Spero gave hers. I don't see a problem here.

You people would hate to hear my headhunter DH talk about names and how they limit people's opportunities in life. Gawwd, we had a tough time choosing DC's names

Ok spero

There is one 15 year old boy called Tyler. He is an A* student. Has ambition to go into politics. Great kid, caring, nice, funny

Then there is the other Tyler who is a school refuser and hangs around causing trouble.

Which stereotype shall I pick for that one- seeing as how I am an idiot for using a "nice" name like Matthew to make my point~?

some of the words used on this thread against people identifying as MC have been utterly hateful.

But I guess that's ok because its only MC people you are slagging off.

But you posted to tell the OP that some people might mistake her for a WC person if she used the name Jayden. Like being WC or thought of as WC limits your chances in life.

No I didn't. I said it was not seen as a 'middle class name'. I certainly didn't go on to say the next part - that is what you have supplied.

But as we are being honest, I thought the problem was - and which explains peoples really quite extreme reactions on this thread - that being WC (and poor) DOES limit your life prospects. You are less likely to live in a nice area, less likely to get access to good health care, less likely to get a good education.

Look at the differences in life expectancies between some different London Boroughs.

And this is appalling. That social mobility seems to have stalled or even gone backwards. And people are digging themselves more firmly into their camps, their tribes, no one wanting to come out or mix or give anyone a chance.

that is why I agree with Fid - I am not pushing MC names. I said quite explicitly I liked Joseph because it is 'classless' or 'classic' - I forget which. A name like that doesn't put a 'stamp' on you.

but people do look down on MC people, there's plenty of sneering on MN for a start. I had it myself from WC exILs, mocking my accent (for example) in a way I wouldn't have dreamt of doing to them - because a) it didn't matter (I was dating/married to their son, FFS!), b) because it's fucking rude and c) because it's horribly snobbish. All done in good fun, of course, but humiliating all the same when you're a shy 18-year-old.

It's a 2-way street and there's fault on both sides.

Tantrums I think names like Jack, Harry, Charlie, did/do work everywhere from the working man's club to the MCC but now those have been done to death and since the millenium fashions have diverged again.

Sounds like you have a nice circle of friends usual.

Lewis, as in the Welsh name, is Lewys. I know two children called Jayden - one is a girl, one is a boy so it's not a name I'd ever use as I dislike unisex names.

Chose whatever stereotype you want for 'Matthew'.

you are an idiot if you think it has the same connotations as some other names. Because it clearly doesn't.

My observations.

Some people are so intent on making themselves feel good about themselves that they make idiots of themselves on the Internet.

Ds1 has a friend called Matthew. He is a drug dealer.
He has a friend called Matthew who is a A* student.

Which stereotype of a name should I chose for Matthew?

Fid I think it would be bloody marvelous if there were just names rather than "high court judge" names or "tradesperson" names.

I was told that ds1 name was a tradesperson name.

Mind you , I am happily WC and do not aspire to be viewed as MC.

You're a brave woman.

I live in a village where there are a wide range of socioeconomic groups.
In the local primary school we have children who have parents that are GPs, farmers, care workers, shop assistants and unemployed.

There are three Jaydens in the school. Of those three families none of the parents work and one couple take methadone.

My observations.

You asked for honest - I really don't like Jayden. Sorry! Eatmydust gave a great list of names beginning with J upthread.

isnt everybody worried that there are loads of WC children that have MC names so no one can tell they are poor?

No. I think that would be bloody marvellous (Though I still don't know what a 'MC name' is)

I can't really see much difference between being prejudiced against someone because of what you perceive their background to be, whether its a MC hating on a WC or vice versa.

It is still letting your prejudice cloud your view - which is what I suspect is happening on this thread. Some people's knees are jerking ALL over the shop.

Thats a bizarre question riverTam

can you not see the difference?

Are you going to show me where I have looked down on WC people?

Or is that just something that you are going to 'infer' from something I said.

You'll be pleased to know the toilet is sparkling like a sparkly toilet diamond.

Now I am seriously confused.

I can't unlive my experiences. My experiences are my experiences. I report back a truth I have witnessed.

Why does this make me a bad person with bad views?

Given that I obviously decry prejudice and work hard to support those who are vulnerable and generally shafted by life, why is it wrong to tell you what FACTS have formed my views?

Genuinely curious now. Have gone through rage and come out again the other side on a peaceful zen cloud of curiosity at the utter strangeness of people sometimes.

usual - you don't want to be perceived of as being MC, others don't want to be thought of as WC. Can you explain what the difference is please? It's snobbery from both sides as far as I can tell.