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Jayden

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LBNM19 · 31/05/2014 21:52

Finding it really hard to pick a boys name, I've got a little boy called Louie and thinking of Jayden for this one could be shortend to J or middle name will be Joseph as that's my dads name so Jayden Joseph could also be JJ. Honest opinions please :)

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EatShitDerek · 02/06/2014 20:29

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deadwitchproject · 02/06/2014 20:28

but eatshitderek what IS the correct use for the word chav? Who gets to decide?

CoteDAzur · 02/06/2014 20:27

"I've never had a conversation about names and class in RL ever"

Neither have I.

Possibly because:

(1) People in RL are not as honest as on here

(2) We don't often have conversations with people outside our peer group - i.e. The names you consider 'normal' are bound to be the ones considered 'normal' by people you usually talk to.

(3) Not many people have read Freakonomics.

beatingwings · 02/06/2014 20:25

eastshit I haven't bitched about you calling me a twat.

CoteDAzur · 02/06/2014 20:24

Is there a better word to use in place of "chav"? I'd like to learn & use that one when the occasion arises.

EatShitDerek · 02/06/2014 20:23

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CoteDAzur · 02/06/2014 20:23

"she has worked there 15 years. I am 23 amd know people with such names. In those 15 years she surely would have come across children with those names."

Spero is NOT saying that there are NO children in the UK by those names.

She is saying that she has not come across children with those names IN HER LINE OF WORK - i.e. children taken into care.

beatingwings · 02/06/2014 20:22

eatshit- I don't care whether you call me a twat or not. But equally you can't prevent me from using the word chav.

Spero · 02/06/2014 20:21

I am not playing the victim.

I have re-read this thread. It has not been explained to me. Maybe I missed it, it has been a very long thread.

But the only articulated 'reason' I have been given is the one you just raised is that it may make someone with a child called Jayden feel crap.

But I never said or implied that all children called Jayden would go into care. That was repeated many times by other people who seemed to wish for me to be saying that.

I was explaining why the name had connotations for me.

I can understand why someone would feel strongly about a name they gave their own child but I don't accept that justifies deliberately misreading and misinterpreting what I and others have said to provide fuel for outrage.

I have apologised and will do so again if my contributions have made anyone feel upset. But I can't apologise for things I never said.

EatShitDerek · 02/06/2014 20:20

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usualsuspectt · 02/06/2014 20:20

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beatingwings · 02/06/2014 20:19

eatshit- so you are the arbitrer of insults are you?

EatShitDerek · 02/06/2014 20:18

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ChocolateWombat · 02/06/2014 20:16

The names we choose are the way we announce our 'tribe' to the world, or the tribe we aspire to for our children.

Many people are working class and proud to be part of that tribe and choose a name to announce it. Others choose a name to deliberately say they are not working class. Perhaps they pick what they consider to be middle class or upper class. It is their perception of names, rather than much else.
Names are like clothes in many ways. People choose to wear what fits in with their social group, to send a message to the world. We know we shouldn't judge based on what people wear, but we are very aware that we are judged on it ourselves and want to project a certain image. The names we give our children is just an extension of this.

EatShitDerek · 02/06/2014 20:16

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beatingwings · 02/06/2014 20:14

So it's Ok to call someone a twat but not a chav.

usualsuspectt · 02/06/2014 20:12

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usualsuspectt · 02/06/2014 20:10

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deadwitchproject · 02/06/2014 20:10

no, usual you're wrong. No where did I say that I judge someone on their name (if you knew my real name....).
I said that I agree there are certain connotations with the name Jayden/Jaden.

ChocolateWombat · 02/06/2014 20:08

You might view people who judge on name as twats.
It is a form of prejudice without a doubt. However, it is very real and the name you give your child can be a help of a hinderance to them, whether other people are twats or not.
It is worth remembering that the response to names can be similar with upper class names too. Whilst people can be prejudiced against Jaydens they can also be preducided against Tarquin, Tristan and Piers.
Whether we realise we build a picture of people based on name or not, we all do it to a certain extent. That isn't about to change.
Prejudice exists about people's weight, age, sexual orientation, skin colour and religion. We have no control over any of these things for our children. We do name them though.