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Amelie-Grace, Elsie-May & Gracie-May?

117 replies

haleyalannahxo · 02/03/2014 17:59

Normally I don't like hyphenated names at all, but these few are really growing on me. My style tends to be more like, vintage/cutesy, so the cutesy bit doesn't bother me.

For middle names, I would probably use:

Amelie-Grace Louisa
Gracie-May Isabella (or Isabelle)
Elsie-May Kathleen

What names would you use as middle names for Amelie-Grace, Elsie-May and Gracie-May? Which of those three do you like the best?

Thank you :) x

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Tartanpaint · 04/03/2014 21:04

Adore all those names but without a hyphen

EirikurNoromaour · 04/03/2014 20:54

Hahaha omg
I was spot on then when I thought they were a sign of immaturity Wink

Mrsindecision · 04/03/2014 20:47

I wouldn't invest much time worrying about the OP florascotia! She is a 18 year old student studying at University - not even pregnant and not intending to ttc for a good while yet!

Daykin · 04/03/2014 18:48

Women definitely sometimes have a hard time being taken seriously. Only today Mary Beard was misquoted as saying that women should lower their voices to be taken more seriously in broadcasting. (She actually said women are told to lower their voices)

timesonline.typepad.com/dons_life/2014/03/what-i-really-said-about-womens-voices.html

EirikurNoromaour · 04/03/2014 18:18

Yes tiny. Really.

florascotia · 04/03/2014 18:05

haley Don't go. I think the reason why so many people get so heated on this thread is because names matter. They really, really do. Any antipathy revealed is not personal to you. It touches on all sorts of deeper themes. Names reflect fashion, refer to history, signal chosen cultural, ethnic and religious affiliations, reveal educational backgrounds, current social/political/economic aspirations, and, particularly in an English context, say something about class.

I'm from Scotland where there is undoubtedly a class system, too, but it is to some extent overridden by a sense of national identity. Scottish parents have traditionally preferred Scottish names, though that is changing, fast. Interestingly, however, the most popular non-traditional names in Scotland are not quite the same as the most popular 'new' names in England. I am not sure why. At the same time, consciously 'heritage' names are also popular.

I am sure that Canada - some parts of which have close ties to Scotland - will have its own naming fashions and traditions. They won't be the same as in Scotland or the rest of the UK. It would be hard for outsiders to understand all the nuances of a Canadian choice of name. In the same way, some of the names you like have resonances over her that probably simply don't apply in Canada. It sounds horrid to say that a young woman with a 'cutesy' name might not be taken quite so seriously in her chosen profession over here in the UK, but I think it is probably true - at least until she's got established. (I don't think Cherie Blair's name did her any favours, for example.) It's a minor point; increasingly women are hired on merit. But I don't think that we've yet achieved equality, and anything that stands in the way is perhaps best avoided. (I know that that's a conformist argument, but it's loading a lot on any young person to expect them to have to do extra battles for a good cause.)

Sorry to go on so.

tinyturtletim · 04/03/2014 17:32

erik women have a hard time taken seriously?

Really?

Chottie · 04/03/2014 17:11

I had a great-aunt May as a child. But her name was shortened from Mabel. :)

gnushoes · 04/03/2014 17:02

If in doubt, visualise the name on a stroppy teenager and then a woman working in a responsible job, say in a law court. She won't be a baby forever.

JohnFarleysRuskin · 04/03/2014 16:56

What? You wouldn't name your kid after Emmy-Lou Lou Pankhurst? Or honey-Mae Clinton or janey-Rae Austin or Maria-ruby-Rae curie?

Rooners · 04/03/2014 16:56

I'm sorry, but I think hyphens are best reserved for other uses such as the compound noun.

OP have you ever looked at Netmums? I'm not directing you there because you aren't welcome here, but from what I know of it, people are far more polite, and also write in the same style as you seem to, and it might be a more pleasant experience all round to ask the people there.

EirikurNoromaour · 04/03/2014 16:49
Grin Women have a hard enough time being taken seriously in this world. I don't know why parents would choose to infantilise their adult daughters with little dolly names.
FruitSaladIsNotPudding · 04/03/2014 16:43

Gracie-Lou Freebush. Don't forget the Freebush.

EirikurNoromaour · 04/03/2014 16:33

It's like in miss congeniality. Grace = FBI agent. Gracie-Lou = beauty pageant contestant.

EirikurNoromaour · 04/03/2014 16:30

I wouldn't judge a child based on her name but is judge the parents. I'm afraid I would judge an adult woman called Gracie-May and wonder why she persisted with such a cutesy little girl type name. I'd assume she was a bit vacuous to be honest.

JohnFarleysRuskin · 04/03/2014 16:20

I would assume that a person who gives their daughter a really cutesy-cutesy name has certain expectations - different from mine- of how girls should be.

I know that's probably wrong but that's what i assume.

tinyturtletim · 04/03/2014 16:00

Giving a child a double name is a sign of immaturity?

I wish I were still able to be immature. My elsie suits her name perfectly and always will. Anyone who casts a judgement on her based on a name is quite frankly a moron

FruitSaladIsNotPudding · 04/03/2014 15:55

Afraid not. I think rent a gob would have something stronger to say than that.

If it's any consolation, my dd2s name is a bit marmite. I asked for opinions before I used it, because I wanted to know what people were REALLY thinking and as others have said, no one is anything but polite once it's a done deal. I found it useful. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I do assume that people posting in the baby names section are after real responses.

Also I did give dd2 a very sensible middle name, so if she thinks her name is mad, she can use that. I think it's a good idea.

EirikurNoromaour · 04/03/2014 15:42

Fruit's post is fine.
I don't think the hatred for cutesy doubled barreled names is necessarily a class issue. For me, it makes me cross that people name babies as if they were little dolls rather than future adult women. I'd be ashamed to have a 'cutesy' name as an adult and would feel like people wouldn't take me seriously. I think going for a nickname type cutesy name is a sign of immaturity, rather than an indicator of social class.

tinyturtletim · 04/03/2014 15:39

fruit your post is really offensive. Are you katie hopkins?

Abra1d · 04/03/2014 11:13

There is a class element, sadly. If you think your daughters might want to become FT100 board directors or barristers in the future you need to know that 'Amelia' or 'Grace' or 'Isabella' would just be names that wouldn't raise eyebrows. Why not have those as names and use the 'ie' forms as family nicknames.

Gracie-Mae just seems gratuitously sweet and female. I'd be worried about stereotyping, just as I would with the 'Steel' name Burren refers to above.

Burren · 04/03/2014 11:09

Honey is right that the baby names forum on here is a foment of class anxiety, acknowledged by some and not by others. And yes, the exact kind of hyphenated names you are proposing have been very heavily used here in recent years, but as they've become more popular, there's a growing perception that they are somewhat lower-middle-class in UK terms. You are outside the UK, so it may not matter in the least to you, or such names may have entirely different class connotations, if any, in Canada.

Personally, I would be more concerned about the extent to which they 'define' a girl in terms of cutesiness, in much the same way I would if you were proposing calling a baby boy a sterotypically macho name like Steel or Biff.

FruitSaladIsNotPudding · 04/03/2014 09:22

Those names may be your style, but will they be your daughters? I like names with character, but you have to leave a bit of room for your daughter to make her name her own. I would be utterly embarrassed to introduce myself to anyone as Elsie-May. Well, actually, I just wouldn't, I'd call myself Elsie, or May, or use my middle name. Seriously, can you imagine a grown woman with using those?

Anyway, may I suggest you give her a more grown up middle name if you do go down this route. Then if her tastes are different to yours she has some options.

JohnMenses · 03/03/2014 23:40

When are you due, OP?

Could you settle on your favourite and roll it around in your mind for a while before registering?

YYou need to go with what you like, but some names are very of the season, and if that bothers you, you need to choose carefully.

haleyalannahxo · 03/03/2014 22:53

thanks for the input everyone, a lot of you have been really helpful :)

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