Margot or Iris

I do want to know what that "certain type of woman' would be though?
Bitte schoen?
Mit Kirsche on Top?

Iris is definitely my favourite of the two. I think it's sweet for a little girl, and classy for a grown woman.

Just use both!

But iris Margot or Margot iris

Who cares, I enjoyed the book and made a comment that I liked the name that the OP mentioned that just happened to be the first name of a female in the book that I love.
You hate the name Margot, you made that obvious about a million posts ago. We know there are many other strong women we aren't stupid

Lots and lots and lots of brave women and girls from that time, especially the ones who were victims and also actively involved in the resistance movement and groups, such as Sophie Scholl.

Sophie was and still is a timeless and classic name in the Netherlands and Germany, and Margot is not.

Also Hannah Arend, very, very important woman, philosopher, activist, and victim.

Hannah was and still is a very wonderful name in those countries, without the negative connotations.

You name Anne Frank's sister, I can name you at least 50 others...so what's the point here.

never said or intended to say that Margot, and yes I know how it is pronounced in English, is not right in the UK.

i have given my cross-national and cross-cultural perspective in this, and now I feel it is not fun, not light-hearted, and what's the point, if all is being taken serious on a personal level.

Bye for now

But the same could be said about the pronunciation of any name in another language . You'd never call your child anything!

evamummy

thanks, I couldn't have worded it better

Rainshine
it's really old-fashioned, too try-hard, common, whatever in England

The same could be also said for Germany...

...and no, I never intended to SAY AN ENGLISH (BRITISH) PERSON COULDN'T do that...

please see it more light-heartedly and don't turn it into something, which might have hit a nerve personally

But Rainshine, that is the benefit of a global site like mumsnet: that we can get different opinions, including from those outside of the UK. Who knows where our children may study or work one day?

My vote would go to Margot just for the reason that Margot Frank was Anne Frank's sister and I like to think of Anne and her mother and sister as brave women. I have always liked this name.

I have an 11 year old Iris. I just love it. Stylish, elegant, simple, classic. No regrets at all, we have only ever met one other, in the park a couple of years ago.

I also love Margot, but know 2 age 9 years and a couple of months. None have pronunciation issues, and I have only ever heard people say nice things about the names.

It would odd for me to say a German person couldn't call their son Leon because the sound in English is ugly (for example, it's not) and it's really old-fashioned, too try-hard, common, whatever in England.

It's pronounced differently in Germany and how it's pronounced in English is completely irrelevant.

Fwiw I knew a Dutch Margot pronounced Margo.

evamummy, yes I agree, despise is a strong word, I'd take that back.

I reckon we are all speaking for ourselves and somehow for groups and subcultures we all belong to (knowingly and not).
Why not embrace what different folks have to bring to the table, even if it is not liked by others, and the OP gets out of it, whatever is helpful and informative to her. What that would be, I wouldn't know and others also couldn't possibly know.

As my family and I have been living in various countries, to me(us), it was important to chose names, which are first and foremost to our liking of course, but then we did look into our global lifestyle and asked ourselves, how this would matter to the children and for them in later life on a personal and professional level with name such and such...but like I said, each to their own and what OP needs and wants to know, is important .

"I'm a bit surprised that anyone would think it was pronounced margott."

As I said, other than the English, most people pronounce the name as it is written. There are a lot of Margots in Germany, Sweden, Holland etc who are known as Mar-gott.

And noddy, whilst despising is a strong word, I have to agree with worldcitizen that Margot sounds very harsh and not very nice. But thankfully we all have different tastes .

Margot is like Louis. The French don't pronounce the t or s.

However, most other languages (e.g. German, Swedish, Norweigan, Dutch, Spanish etc) pronounce these names according to their own phonetics, so Margot is pronounced Margott and Louis is Lou-is. Even the Americans say st Louis with the s.

But, for some reason, a lot of (upper class?) English seem to prefer to use the French pronunciation of such names. I doubt many French people would pronounce English names the English way, however .

I love the name margot! I'm a bit surprised that anyone would think it was pronounced margott. I know a couple of margots and I think it's quite a beautiful woman's name.

rainshine in case you are referring to me as ignorant, I mentioned in a previous post already, that names could have same spellings and yet, of course, will be pronounced differently.
Same is true for Iris, as I've said before.
I never said, that Margot isn't great in the UK or wouldn't sound nice, or would be ridiculed etc.
And yes, I think 'standard' names are acceptable. So, what's the point.

Op has asked a question and each and every one can post their response, also their-gut response and also explain or give some background on reasoning behind it.

No good enough reason for others to get flustered over my responses, right?!

It is not pronounced Margott in the UK unless you're ignorant, it has the French pronunciation where it is most definitely not despised. Germany didn't give us the name, France did.

Iris is also not pronounced as it would be in Germany so a bit of a weird angle to take on the name even if the poster is German.

Margot will be Margo in the UK and I now know of five age 10 and under ( all pronounced Margo funnily enough).

And Iris, Edith etc were laughed at as names of women of a certain generation until a few years ago and indeed still are by people who only think 'standard' names are acceptable.

OP Margot will be a love it/ hate it name but is definitely getting more popular. Iris has already arrived and will get a less strong reaction either way.

But no one else is saying it is despised apart from you! Hides thread enjoy!

You sound bound by ridiculous snobbery

So, easy here in MN to move from the topic itself to attacking others...sorry I am not interested in that level.

noddyholder

Also, why give a name when even in the countries where it comes from, it is mostly despised by so many people there, that it is even reason for ridicule???

I would ask myself that. Other than that, different folks diferent strokes.

Everyone asks themselves different questions when considering something such as a name for their loved-ones .

You sound bound by ridiculous snobbery

I love Margot, j know three of varying ages, all English and all pronounced Margo

What does it matter if it's an unpopular name on Germany of the OP lives here?