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Orfeas

31 replies

Elenaki · 10/04/2012 09:50

Bear with me here.

I'm interested to know how a few 'foreign' sounding names strike English speaking ears. DP is Greek but has been in London for years now after coming here as a student. I'm English but speak Greek as a second language so am submerged in the sounds and 'feeling' of Greek names...such that I've lost all objectivity. Help!

We'd like to give the DC that we're trying for a Greek name that - either has an English equivalent/nn or is comprehensible as they go through school in England. Here's our list

Boys
Alexandros/Alexander
Orfeas (said or-FAY-as) - I am particularly curios about this one as DP loves it
Rafail/Rafael (any Greek mnetters out there - this is quite uncommon on the mainland, right?)
Leonidas/Leo

Girls
Ines (LOVE this)
Anastasia (his mother's name)
Rafaella
Nefeli

Would really appreciate your opinions!

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Elenaki · 11/04/2012 11:46

Interesting. Thank you for that. As I am not yet pg (booo) we haven't started looking into things like that. That's really good to know though. I think it would mean something to DP's parents to 'officially' retain the Greek spelling and we would intend to register him/her as a Greek national, so will keep that in mind!!

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sayanything · 11/04/2012 11:29

Elenaki, I just remembered something. Are you planning on registering your baby as a Greek national? If you do, you'll probably have to keep in mind the spelling of the name you choose in English and how it will be transliterated into Greek - they tend to be very rigid. For example, DS's name on his birth certificate is Raphael. When DH went to the Greek consulate to register the birth, they could only register him as Rafael (with an epsilon, as opposed to an eta to get Rafail) because the system allows them no flexibility as to how roman letters are transliterated into Greek. So in order to get Ariadne spelled correctly in Greek for example, the name in English would have to be Ariadni. There is slightly more flexibility in transliterating the Greek original into roman letters (so we managed to get DS's name spelled with a "ph" in his passport, to match his birth certificate, even though the strict rule is that phi is turned into f, not ph). All a bit confusing.

Phew, sorry, long post. And they may be more flexible in London.

alexpolismum · 11/04/2012 10:44

yes, that's a nice place too. I hope things do improve in terms of work! I like it here and don't really want to have to move back to the UK!

Incidentally, my grandma couldn't pronounce my dc's name either, but it doesn't matter. She has trouble with the (Irish) name one of my cousins chose too. She tends to use terms like "my little ducky" or "Granny's little flower" or whatever, and that solves the problem!

Elenaki · 11/04/2012 10:06

Grin Heh heh, thought so alexpolismum - I've never been, myself, but the nearest 'large' city (out of the two) is pretty much my second home. I love it there. (Not sure why I'm being so cryptic!) Would love to live there at some point, especially when DC comes along, but it's not very practical in terms of work - generally speaking - and at the moment. I'm sure we could fill a whole new thread on the other merits of living in Greece verses England. Watch this space - if it ever happens, I will post on here!

You're right, regarding names and the general diversity of the UK. I think I'm over thinking things, and what it boils down to is that I don't really mind if my ancient grandmother can't properly pronounce my baby's full name: as long as we like it and it suits him/her.

Thanks for your advice. It is nice to hear from others who have already considered all of this! Ariadne is a beautiful name!

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alexpolismum · 11/04/2012 06:54

Elenaki yes, you've guessed correctly! Nice place to live, on the whole.

I didn't worry about not having an English sounding equivalent, or having a foreign surname (my dc also have their father's Greek surname). I didn't think it was important these days, whether in Greece (where the surname is not foreign, of course) or in GB, as I said, there are people in the UK from all over the world. Besides, I think it suits a foreign surname to have a foreign first name, if you know what I mean. It doesn't sound odd. You don't expect Mr Papadiamantis to be called Bob, do you!

And my English relatives have been extremely positive about my dc's Greek names. My dd is Ariadne, and EVERYONE back in the UK has said they love the name!

Elenaki · 11/04/2012 00:06

Oops everyone, not anyone!

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Elenaki · 11/04/2012 00:05

Thank you alexpolismum (DP's father is from there - if I've guessed correctly!)

Ariadne is beautiful. I like your more 'exclusively' Greek suggestions too. That's what we're struggling with in a way, liking some names which sound lovely in Greek due to their meaning, but sound odd in English. Panoraia is a classic example.

Though it wasn't a suggestion as such, we hadn't thought of Ikaros. We really like it...enough to make the short list!!

The difficulty with Orfeas and Ikaros (for example) is that there's no run-of-the-mill English sounding equivalent. Given that DC's surname will also be Greek, there's no way out of always having a 'foreign sounding' name in total. How have you negotiated that? Or does it not come into it, living in Greece anyway?

Thanks anyone for your great suggestions and feedback. Much appreciated!

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alexpolismum · 10/04/2012 13:52

I like Rafail/ Raphael. It's quite unusual over here but not unheard of. Not like Ikaros (one of my son's friends) which really is extremely rare!

Orfeas is also unusual, but as you said no one in Greece bats an eyelid at this sort of thing. I imagine people in the UK are so used to names from all over the world cropping up, that no one should make a fuss about it, especially if you keep to the Greek pronunciation and spelling to dissociate it from the X-Men, etc.

I love Leonidas too, I nearly used it for my ds2!

Some suggestions/ ideas from my family/ relatives:

Ariadne
Danae
Despina

Filippos (works well in English too)
Paschalis
Stefanos

I also know a Panoraia, which sounds nice in Greek, but I'm not sure about it in English, and an Alkmini, which I also like a lot in Greek.

lalabaloo · 10/04/2012 12:54

Orfeas is lovely and when I read it I instinctively knew how to pronounce it, if that makes sense? Whereas I struggle with some other names (from any country!) I also like Leonidas, it's a very strong sounding name and Leo is a great shortened version. For girls I like Ines, Anastasia and Rafaella but not so keen on Nefeli

TruthSweet · 10/04/2012 12:27

I have n Alethea and a Callia and if DC4 is DD4 I will have an Eris (no Greek connection just a love for Ancient Greek plays/Homer/mythology). I really like Thalia and Ilias from your last list!

Elenaki · 10/04/2012 11:34

Dogs with moustaches, X-Men and submarines! Eeek.

Athanasia is nice too. Had considered that, with Nasia as a nickname. However, it is very similar to Anastasia (which also has Nasia as a nn) and would probably opt for Anastasia over Athanasia due to family connections and general portability.

Leaning towards Ines right now...but I seem to change my mind every day :(

Some names below that I like but haven't made the short-list for various reasons - for anyone like Say looking here for inspiration:

Ilias
Iordanis
Theo(doros)

Thomai
Thalia
Ioulia
Melina

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Stellan · 10/04/2012 11:03

Just to add that Orpheus reminds me of the submarine in the BBC short series, The Deep: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Deep_%28TV_serial%29

camarelia · 10/04/2012 11:02

Athanasia for a girl?

Stellan · 10/04/2012 11:01

My Cypriot/English friend's middle name is Panayiota. She doesn't much like it but I have always thought it sounded pretty nifty. Her name is Katerina (pronounced with 4 syllables).

gazzalw · 10/04/2012 10:56

Personally love Alexander/os and Anastasia....they are Greek but have a fit in a lot of countries and truly international names are good in my opinion...and so many diminutives too ;-)

Elenaki · 10/04/2012 10:54

Camarelia That's true about Yianni/s but there's no way we could use it with our surname. I also like (but not love) Ioanna for a girl, which is the female equivalent.

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Elenaki · 10/04/2012 10:52

Thanks everyone!

Say I also love Lucas/Lukas! Forgot to add that to the list above.
Regarding pronounciation - probably we'd pronounce Rafail it the Greek way to Greek friends/relatives and the English way to everyone else. I didn't know that about the saint, but still think it is a lovely name.
Ragged Ines would be pronounced 'e-NES' - and that is hilarious about your neighbour's dog. More so for the fact that many Greek men of the older generation have said moustache Grin

What I love about Greek naming traditions is that over there, nobody bats an eye at cooing over a baby with a name that we'd think was crazy here. E.g. "Ohh little Andromedi is so sweet!" Though I wouldn't go that far out myself, it is lovely how the ancient and the modern just blend so seamlessly.

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camarelia · 10/04/2012 10:49

Have you considered Yanni? A great greek name that I don't imagine anyone can get wrong!

Ephiny · 10/04/2012 10:47

Not keen on Orfeas but I like the other boys suggestions. Ines or Rafaella are lovely for a girl.

TheFallenMadonna · 10/04/2012 10:43

I know a Greek Rafail. Nobody bats an eyelid over his name. It's nice. And Ines is lovely.

BBQJuly · 10/04/2012 10:42

Alexandros/er and Anastasia

ragged · 10/04/2012 10:37

My neighbours in the 1970s had a dog with this name. We said it "Or-FEE-us". He was a large black terrier thing who got shaved in the summer but leaving the mustache effect around his face. Perfectly nice animal. Called "Orfy" for short.
But still a dog's name in my mind. Sorry!
Isn't it something to do with the underworld, too?

Would you say "EYE-nez" or another pronunciation for Ines?
The Greek lady I know living in USA called her DC Alexander & Cassandra.

squoosh · 10/04/2012 10:32

Orfeas looks like it should be the name of some kind of Institute of Taxation, or something equally dry and official.

I love Raphael.

Momdeguerre · 10/04/2012 10:28

My sister married into a greek family - she has a Theodore (she liked the meaning) and he would have been Persephone if he had been a girl.

Other family names are Buki, Elena, Petros, Nykolas, Stavros, Stelios and Thea.

sayanything · 10/04/2012 10:16

My DS is Raphael, so I obviously love the name. It raised a few eyebrows back in Greece as it is fairly uncommon but not unheard of - we had people thinking that it was an offering (or however one says "tama" in English) to St Raphael who apparently helps infertile women get pregnant. The vast majority of people said it's lovely though, although you'll have to decide whether you'll pronounce it the English way RA-pha el or the Greek way Ra-pha-IL.

I love the other names on your list too, although Alexander is far too popular nowadays I think. Other names on our list were Lucas, Stephanos/Stefan and Phineas/Phileas. I'm currently pregnant with number 2, also a boy, so I'll be watching this with interest!