Ezra or Loki?!

I wasn't "making fun" of any name but telling you of an observation about something we like to call Real Life.

Real Life is where people's names are strong indicators of their family backgrounds and socio-economic status. Clever ones from lower classes skew these expectations in their favour by naming their kids either timeless classics or names popular with the upper classes in their time. The not-so-clever ones name their kids "original" non-names which they think will make unique flowers out of their offspring, but instead mark them with a time & class stamp for all their lives.

Actually I love Loki! Wasn't he Thor's brother? Love Thor too.

And to make fun of Chardonnay, just because it is commonly used by the lower classes or 'chavs', isn't very nice either imo.

Isn't the point of naming someone to IDENTIFY them as uniquely as possible? So surely it makes sense to try to give all people as different names as possible. SO THAT THEY CAN BE IDENTIFIED!

How boring life would be if we were all called Steve A., Steve B. or Jack C., Jack G. etc. [yawn].

So shouldn't we be encouring more name diversity?

"Hate all this modern 'cult of self' tendencies."

Yes, you bunch of bastards giving your children NAMES.

NAMES so that they can be IDENTIFIED as INDIVIDUALS.

Don't call your children anything. Force them to make their way in the world without a name of any kind!

I would've called dd Ivo (ee-vo) if she'd been a boy. Was the name of my favourite Czech Student whom I taught English. I think it's cute but not sure it goes with 'Jago'. Still, they'll leave home eventually.

I prefer Ezra.

How about Ivo? Too rhymey?

Aran/ Arran
Aram
Oran
Otto

Talk to any recruiter or HR manager. They receive so many CVs that they cannot read them all, and a certain amount of pre-judgement is inevitable, even necessary.

I don't know how it is in the UK but CVs don't have pictures or precision of gender in France, to minimize discrimination. Still, people get terribly judged on even their names & the spelling of their names. Unjust as it may be, the way our parents name us is a strong indicator of our background. Chardonnay and Bailey are very unlikely to go to Oxbridge and work in a high-powered corporate position, unlike Catherine and Alexander.

CoteDAzur - I agree with you on cultural heritage, I love various arabic girls name, but would not use them, unless I was married to an Arab man, as I do not think it would fit with our welsh/english heritage.

I have some distant Jamaican ancestry (mixed race great grandmother moved to liverpool with white husband she'd met in Jamaica), and distant Irish ancestry. It would be a push to use a Jamaican or Irish name.

There are also names that I would not call child due to CV, although I think it is very short-sighted to dismiss interviewing someone because of their name.

Idris is the name of the dragon in 'Ivor the Engine'!

Out of your choices i like Ezra. My cat is called Loki!

Reading the thread though i really like Asher!

Idris is pronounced Id-riss in Turkey. That is why I thought it would be pronounced that way elsewhere, as well. The way it's spelled, that is how it would be read in the UK, I suppose. Or you could pronounce it Id-rees and give him a lifetime of "No, it's pronounced -rees, not -ris".

"cult of self"

I'm with you, candleshoe.

If Kate Middleton was named, uh, "originally", do you think she would be Princess Chardonnay?

DH is in recruitment, and you should hear the treatment those names get when their CVs are received.

Don't try to make your offspring "unique" by naming them bizarre non-names.

Ezra is lovely and goes very well with Jago.

I like Idris, but it seems a bit odd with Jago (I also see it as a strongly Muslim name, fwiw).

Loki is ghastly. It reminds me of post-partum bleeding, sorry!

"What is the current obsession with giving 'individual' or 'original' names? Give your kid a normal name!"

The whole point of naming something or someone is to IDENTIFY them so the more individual the name the more likely he/she will not have to share a name with hundreds of others. Last year more than 5000 boys names were used I think, so there is really a huge choice of lovely underused names.

yy tryingtoleave ezra pound's anti-semitism is the sadly the first thing I think of when I hear Ezra.

I knew a Jago at Uni - we all thought it was a seriously weird name (even though it was full of oxbridge rejects). Still he was a lovely (if very intense) person.

How about Tristan?

Go for John or David. He'll be the only one at school.

There are two taliesins in my ds's preschool - bet the parents weren't expecting that.

I think Ezra might become popular, as part of the fashion for resurrecting old biblical (Jewish sounding) names. I vaguely considered it myself, but discarded it because I thought it sounded too grumpy old man. The associations I had with it were the Ezra in Daniel Deronda, and Ezra Pound, who I thought of as an anti-semite.

NEITHER FFS! What is the current obsession with giving 'individual' or 'original' names? Give your kid a normal name!

Hate all this modern 'cult of self' tendencies. So shallow!

DS2 was nearly Stephen.
DS1 has been impatiently trying hard to correct my pronounciation of Idris for ages and I could not hear what he was saying that I was doing wrong. Only with this thread is all revealed... if you can handle people like me who find odd names tongue-twisters and are bound to consistently butcher it, then fine :).

Personally I don't believe in there being only one proper way to pronounce most names, many forenames have been Anglicised, so what, why not?.

Loki also reminds me of lochia so I'm not keen. If you love it why not name him Malachi and nn lachi? Malachi is a good Old Testament name he could use as he grows?

I love Old Testament name. Ezra is good but not my fav (not sure why, but it doesn't sit quite right for me). What about Eli (or Elias shortened to Eli)? It's pronounced Ee-lie. Jago and Eli is great.