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DS has been uninvited from a sleepover and I don’t know what to tell him

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TryingNotToMakeItWorse · Today 15:19

DS is in year 6, 10 but turns 11 next month. One of his closest friends is having a sleepover next weekend for her birthday and invited him along with 5 other girls. He’s the only boy.

He’s always got on better with girls really. He’s got a couple of boy mates but theyre more school friends if that makes sense, whereas the girls are who he actually wants to spend time with outside school. He’s been friends with this particular girl since year 3 and they’ve been to each others houses loads of times, so it’s not like they’ve only just started hanging about together.

Anyway he was invited last week. They were going to have pizza, watch films and all sleep in the living room.

Yesterday the mum messaged me saying she’d had a conversation with one of the other mums who wasnt comfortable with her DD staying overnight if a boy was there. Apparently she’d not really thought about it before but had decided she was going to make it girls only after all. So DS is no longer invited.

I do understand that its her house and she can have whatever rules she wants but I feel really uncomfortable about the way its happened. He was invited and now he’s been dropped because another parent has an issue with it. The birthday girl apparently still wants him there and they’ve not fallen out or anything.

I havent told him yet because I honestly dont know how to explain it without him thinking she’s changed her mind about being his friend. He doesnt get invited to that many sleepovers and he was genuinely excited about this one.

Part of me thinks I should just say the plans have changed and leave it at that, but then he’s going to find out at school when the other girls talk about it.

Would you tell him the actual reason or keep it vague? And would you say anything to the mum or just leave it now?

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EgregiouslyOverdressed · Today 16:31

TryingNotToMakeItWorse · Today 16:19

I didnt say he doesnt understand the difference between boys and girls??

I meant I dont think he’ll understand why he’s been allowed at other sleepovers with girls but suddenly not this one when nothing has happened between them and he was invited in the first place. He’s not going to look at it from an adults point of view, he’s just going to be upset that he’s been uninvited from something he was looking forward to with his friends. Thats what I meant.

There will be other examples of times and situations when it used to be appropriate for boys and girls to mix but which have now changed. The obvious one which comes to mind is that at one point he and his classmates will have changed for PE all in one classroom, but this will have been separate for some time now.

It is a logical progression from the other conversations that you are having with him about puberty.

ISpyNoPlumPie · Today 16:30

Netcurtainnelly · Today 16:29

What if the girls are lesbians and the boy is gay?
Nobody thought if that?

No, because it’s utter nonsense.

ISpyNoPlumPie · Today 16:29

Lacksie · Today 16:17

I have multiple girls and as long as they were cool with it I would give a toss

This just suggests you have very poor judgement. You are the adult. Would your 10 year old girl understand the potential risks? Would your 10 year old girl be able to explain that she felt strange about it because her body is changing and how complicated and grown up that feeling is and yet she’s still a child? You’re meant to protect your children. I’m sure your kids are “cool” with lots of things that as an adult you won’t be.

Netcurtainnelly · Today 16:29

What if the girls are lesbians and the boy is gay?
Nobody thought if that?

itstoolateforsnacks · Today 16:27

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This. I understand how you feel op but my DD is exactly the same age, close to 11, and she and all her friends are now developing, one has started her period, all are at a really self conscious stage. I’d feel uncomfortable at them being around a boy when they are getting changed etc too.

Equally this is very sad for your son. I get that you are not looking forward to telling him, but I think it’s really important you are straightforward with him. He probably isn’t experiencing much of puberty yet, but his female friends are. It’s a great opportunity to educate him and bring him up to be a man who understands that the female experience is different to his own.

Moonnstarz · Today 16:27

TryingNotToMakeItWorse · Today 16:19

I didnt say he doesnt understand the difference between boys and girls??

I meant I dont think he’ll understand why he’s been allowed at other sleepovers with girls but suddenly not this one when nothing has happened between them and he was invited in the first place. He’s not going to look at it from an adults point of view, he’s just going to be upset that he’s been uninvited from something he was looking forward to with his friends. Thats what I meant.

Then surely you simplify it and explain it if you don't think he will understand.
Or just tell him that being in year 6 things change and what some people are happy with is different to others. Compare it to PE and say that boys and girls get changed in different rooms as not everyone would feel comfortable changing in the same place. It's the same for the sleepover. While the birthday girl might feel comfortable with a boy being there overnight, not all girls will feel the same. (You could then go into details if you wanted as mentioned her about developing, periods etc).

As another post says, if he can't understand this then I think you need to have more of a chat with him about puberty.

Charlenedickens · Today 16:25

Is there maybe bigger issues here if he can’t understand this at nearly 11. Are you sure that’s rhe case, or is it maybe your assumption and you baby him?

at 11 you can say one of fne mums is uncomfortable with a boy being there, so it’s been made girl only, all tne girls are really upset you can’t come but Jane will organise something else with you,

if this is really he doesn’t understand why girls and boys can’t sleep together and the biological differences and how this is an issue, I think maybe enlist the school for some support with him,

StepAwayFromGoogling · Today 16:25

ISpyNoPlumPie · Today 16:24

That’s your underlying assumption.

Er. No. Mine is the opposite of that.

ISpyNoPlumPie · Today 16:24

StepAwayFromGoogling · Today 16:16

It's not 'sad', it's assuming a 10 year old boy is likely to be an abuser of 10 year old girls. The underlying assumptions here are horrible.

That’s your underlying assumption.

StepAwayFromGoogling · Today 16:24

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Birthday girl hasn't said she'd prefer the girl there more, though?

GintyMcGinty · Today 16:24

That’s a shame and unnecessary for age 11.

Bit you need to tell him the truth.

BananaPeels · Today 16:23

It’s tricky this age. I think at age 10 I would have been ok with it if I know the girls and the parents who were supervising. But perhaps after this one I think we’d agree to stop.

the best way around these problems is to invite other boys and insist the boys sleep on one room and girls in another and they are supervised so they go to sleep when told. that way everyone is happy and no one excluded.

Gengha · Today 16:22

TryingNotToMakeItWorse · Today 16:19

I didnt say he doesnt understand the difference between boys and girls??

I meant I dont think he’ll understand why he’s been allowed at other sleepovers with girls but suddenly not this one when nothing has happened between them and he was invited in the first place. He’s not going to look at it from an adults point of view, he’s just going to be upset that he’s been uninvited from something he was looking forward to with his friends. Thats what I meant.

This is your job as a parent to explain and manage. yes he’ll be upset but he’ll be upset about lots of things in his life, same as me, you and everyone else on the planet. Upsetting things happen. You can’t shield your child from them all but you can give him strategies to cope.

Poplife2 · Today 16:21

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SevenYellowHammers · Today 16:21

TryingNotToMakeItWorse · Today 15:19

DS is in year 6, 10 but turns 11 next month. One of his closest friends is having a sleepover next weekend for her birthday and invited him along with 5 other girls. He’s the only boy.

He’s always got on better with girls really. He’s got a couple of boy mates but theyre more school friends if that makes sense, whereas the girls are who he actually wants to spend time with outside school. He’s been friends with this particular girl since year 3 and they’ve been to each others houses loads of times, so it’s not like they’ve only just started hanging about together.

Anyway he was invited last week. They were going to have pizza, watch films and all sleep in the living room.

Yesterday the mum messaged me saying she’d had a conversation with one of the other mums who wasnt comfortable with her DD staying overnight if a boy was there. Apparently she’d not really thought about it before but had decided she was going to make it girls only after all. So DS is no longer invited.

I do understand that its her house and she can have whatever rules she wants but I feel really uncomfortable about the way its happened. He was invited and now he’s been dropped because another parent has an issue with it. The birthday girl apparently still wants him there and they’ve not fallen out or anything.

I havent told him yet because I honestly dont know how to explain it without him thinking she’s changed her mind about being his friend. He doesnt get invited to that many sleepovers and he was genuinely excited about this one.

Part of me thinks I should just say the plans have changed and leave it at that, but then he’s going to find out at school when the other girls talk about it.

Would you tell him the actual reason or keep it vague? And would you say anything to the mum or just leave it now?

Just tell him that when children start to grow up boys and girls have separate sleepovers and it’s a sign that they’re becoming big boys and girls. Say that birthday girl’s mum forgot this but now she’s remembered so DS can’t go to sleepover. To make up for it, you’re going to taken him on a treat that night and birthday girl will come over one day for a special tea. Sell it as a rite of passage.

Gengha · Today 16:20

pinkyredrose · Today 16:09

If the girl's mum isn't comfortable she should pull her daughter out not expect you to pull your son out.

Has the girl’s mum expected that though? Surely party girl’s mum could have uninvited that girl and the boy could have come. It sounds more like the party mum has understandably had a change of heart, after the other mum raised it

Poplife2 · Today 16:20

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JenRummy · Today 16:20

Could you host your own sleepover soon minus Ava?

StepAwayFromGoogling · Today 16:20

TeenToTwenties · Today 16:18

Not if Ava's mum raised it with the party host, and party host realised that actually yes maybe it was inappropriate and/or discussed with other Mum's and realised this.

It is better to stop these things too soon than too late.

Would @StepAwayFromGoogling be happy with mixed sex sleepovers at say 13? If no then we are just discussing the age to stop. If yes then they are so far off the same page as me as to be in a different library so we would have no common ground on this topic.

Well, no, they're well into puberty at 13. Girls and boys WILL be sexually attracted to each other by then. At 10? No.

Poplife2 · Today 16:19

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TryingNotToMakeItWorse · Today 16:19

Completeme · Today 16:16

Oh give over. He doesn’t understand that boys and girls are different and what is and isn’t appropriate? If this is truly the case please speak to him about consent and boundaries asap ffs

I didnt say he doesnt understand the difference between boys and girls??

I meant I dont think he’ll understand why he’s been allowed at other sleepovers with girls but suddenly not this one when nothing has happened between them and he was invited in the first place. He’s not going to look at it from an adults point of view, he’s just going to be upset that he’s been uninvited from something he was looking forward to with his friends. Thats what I meant.

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EgregiouslyOverdressed · Today 16:19

It's really unfortunate that no-one thought of this sooner and that you are now in a situation where your son has been uninvited but the principle is sound and I don't really know why posters are being contrary about it. A mixed sex sleepover is not appropriate in year 6 or older.

TeenToTwenties · Today 16:19

Lacksie · Today 16:17

I have multiple girls and as long as they were cool with it I would give a toss

Though to be fair, by girls you may mean what other people refer to as boys, so who knows.

StepAwayFromGoogling · Today 16:18

Lacksie · Today 16:17

I have multiple girls and as long as they were cool with it I would give a toss

Same. And age 10. Honestly, mental.

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