To think everything will be unrecognisable in 50 years

It’s not just ‘values’.

It’s our architecture, our beautiful native wildlife and flora, our crazy weather. All being destroyed by overpopulation.

😂

I wish you would just say what you want to say.

’Of course Britain has a culture. But I don’t like that culture, because I personally associate it with racism. So I’m going to pretend it doesn’t have a culture, while acknowledging and admiring cultures which execute people and force women into second class citizenship, while pretending they don’t do these things. Unless it’s the USA, they’re horrific’

Cultural values are one aspect of many in traditional culture.

Yes values and beliefs but also social etiquette, manners, customs, traditions, language, communication style, social class systems, social and family structures, religion, history, heritage, national indentity. There so many aspects! Food, drink, recreation, sports, arts, literature, politics, festivals, celebrations, clothing, beauty standards, civic duty, governance, architecture, community, social life, education, work ethic, the natural environment... Humour!!!

To try and narrow the conversation down to cultural values would not be helpful.

You made the statement. You prove it.

I'd like to think that the normalisation of more diverse looking people everywhere will put an end to racism, although it probably won't.

Prove me wrong.

Cultural values are one aspect of many in traditional culture.

Yes values and beliefs but also social etiquette, manners, customs, traditions, language, communication style, social class systems, social and family structures, religion, history, heritage, national indentity. There so many aspects! Food, drink, recreation, sports, arts, literature, politics, festivals, celebrations, clothing, beauty standards, civic duty, governance, architecture, community, social life, education, work ethic, the natural environment... Humour!!!

To try and narrow the conversation down to cultural values would not be helpful.

Where have I said that I don't like Britain having a traditional culture? On the contrary, I like many traditional aspects of British culture. I simply disagree with you that there is one single immutable version of this.

And I have already said above, I don't believe that there is a single immutable, indisputable version of any culture. As any anthropolgist would tell you.

But since you are so determined, please do point me to the single definitive source in which British culture has been codified. I would be fascinated to know what you are pointing to as your ultimate source.

Go on then, define it. What are our cultural values?

According to the U.K. government, they are defined as, Democracy, Rule of Law, Individual Liberty and Mutual Respect and Tolerance. If you ask anyone about the cultural values they will talk about queuing, not complaining and drinking tea.

Which of those values are disappearing? Which of those government defined values are not shared by most other nations?

People will bleat in about how we treat our women, and how that’s different in other cultures - as if we haven’t had a problem with VAWG for decades. It took us until 1991 to outlaw marital rape, long after many other countries did so. Anyone who wants to pretend there is no issue with the way women are treated, dismissed, disrespected by British men is wilfully ignorant or hugely naive.

It is ONLY Britain that is not allowed to protect ,or be proud of it's culture. God forbid if you told anyone else to shove their flag in the bin. But when it's Britain, it's fine.

That's a ridiculous statement.

You don't seem to have any confidence we are solid enough to handle that without bans and restrictions on the people you fear.

It's ironic really. The people who claim to value British culture the most have the least confidence in its ability to evolve and endure.

It’s not Britain I have no confidence in. It’s other cultures that seek to influence it.

Of course they wouldn’t do that, because Indian people are generally not white. It’s reverse racism - all non whites are entitled to a culture that must be respected and protected at all costs. Ours is a ‘figment of our imagination’ to be sneered at and debased. It’s pathetic.

No, you are now scrabbling around trying to find little hairs to split. Reread my message above where I used the term broadly speaking. And broadly speaking, whether you like it or not, Britain has a traditional culture. The same as every country in the world. You are now trying hide behind little caveats such as 'it changes over time' or 'regional differences', but these were all addressed and acknowledged to begin with and it makes no difference to the main point. I am sorry that you don't like Britain having a traditional culture. You still haven't explained to me whether your erroneous belief in this matter just extends to Britain alone or to all countries not having an indiginous culture?

These are simply the changes we are seeing in our lifetime. Throughout history people have hated change with towns turning into cities, industrialisation, the building of canals and railways, the introduction of aeroplanes etc etc. We don’t have to like it but change is inevitable.

What is Sharia and which parts of it concern you if people choose to follow it. Also, where is the evidence it is ever going to be adopted in the U.K. writ large?

What is Sharia and which parts of it concern you if people choose to follow it. Also, where is the evidence it is ever going to be adopted in the U.K. writ large?

The people living in 50 years time (assuming we don't have total climate collapse and end of civilisation) will think being "Scottish" is what they see around them. Just as people 50 years ago had a different idea of "normal" and "change" to you. Most of what we understand as traditionally "Scottish" culture today was created during the 19th (possibly also 18th, I'm not sure) Scottish Nationalist revival.

Things change all the time. It's very human to see the state of things when we are growing up like some sort of fixed point that change happens to but it isn't, every time is just one moment in a river of ongoing change.

I thought the other day, walking down my high street which is one of the most multicultural in the UK, in 50 years time Britain may not be considered a white country any more. And you know what? I realised I don't care. I feel just as connected to a future Britain that isn't mostly white as I do to one that is. It will still be Britain. It will still be that story, moving on and changing as it always has. There are cultural moments in my neighbourhood that are uniquely British now because there are children growing up together as neighbours from cultures that would never have met if they were tied to geography rather than all here at this exact point in time.

All that we need to do to qualify for our place in the story is to be here and be part of it.

How will she have freedom and opportunities if Sharia flourishes?

And if you or your daughter had to either live in Japan or live in a Muslim country then we all know which one you would pick my dear. You'd know the difference between them very well if push came to shove.

Go on then, define it. What are our cultural values?

According to the U.K. government, they are defined as, Democracy, Rule of Law, Individual Liberty and Mutual Respect and Tolerance. If you ask anyone about the cultural values they will talk about queuing, not complaining and drinking tea.

Which of those values are disappearing? Which of those government defined values are not shared by most other nations?

People will bleat in about how we treat our women, and how that’s different in other cultures - as if we haven’t had a problem with VAWG for decades. It took us until 1991 to outlaw marital rape, long after many other countries did so. Anyone who wants to pretend there is no issue with the way women are treated, dismissed, disrespected by British men is wilfully ignorant or hugely naive.