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To think everything will be unrecognisable in 50 years

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CurdinHenry · Today 11:38

Just thinking about how different the UK was in the 70s and how change is supercharged now by tech and mass migration and the loss of shared cultural reference points in TV and newspapers and radio.

I live in Glasgow and many parts of it are no longer at all Scottish-seeming apart from the old sandstone tenements. What even is Scottish any more? It's hard to imagine Scottish independence being taken up by the new communities. But what's next?

I think human societies are programmed to self destruct every so often in the absence of external numbers control pressures and I think that's what's starting now across Europe. We have never had it so good in the history of time yet rage flourishes

What can we do as individuals, I'm just not sure

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LaurieFairyCake · Today 13:53

What a load of tosh, why are people swallowing this crap. We don’t have a ‘migrant’ problem unless counting is somehow difficult for people?

the highest number of people coming over in small boats was 45,574 in 2022 (under Sunak’s govt)

this year, 2026 - 20,935 - 46% FEWER

What we have is a batshit right wing media problem 🤔

blondeseaside · Today 13:52

Dappy777 · Today 13:44

Forget 50 years, it's over now. This is no longer a country. As two-tier Keir said, it's now an "island of strangers." The destructive, masochistic, hate-filled Left have used immigration as a tool to destroy national identity. Andrew Neather, a speechwriter for Blair, admitted that their plan was use immigration to "rub the right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date." Personally, I call that fascism – liberal fascism.

I no longer live in a nation with a shared history, shared culture, shared identity, etc. It's a joke. I wouldn't even fly the St George or the Union Jack in case someone threw a brick through my window. Our libraries and universities have been 'de-colonised' and even the literary canon is under attack. When I was young, I knew who I was. I was English-British. My history was the Battle of Britain and the tragedy of the Somme and the poetry of Wilfred Owen. It was Dickens and Jane Austen and Virginia Woolf. Now I no longer feel that way. I don't know who I am.

I hate the people who have done this to me. HATE them. I don't hate 'immigrants'. Certain groups I dislike, but I love the sweet Filipino nurse who lives next door, and the nice Punjabi lady who runs my local shop. It's a question of scale. The small island of Okinawa has its own distinct identity. If ten million white Swedes moved there, they would change the identity of Okinawa forever. It's as simple as 2 + 2 = 4. No one voted for mass immigration or multiculturalism. They were IMPOSED on us.

👏👏👏👏👏👏

And for those Lefties trotting out the old "let's be multicultural" trope, let me tell you, most immigrants have no desire to integrate, in fact, where I am from, they frequently refer to white girls as "white trash", and do not hide the fact that their children would never be allowed to marry a white boy/girl. The Lefties have their arms wide open to people who hate them, imo. Bugger off Tarquin, and take your hessian vest and quinoa with you. Please.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · Today 13:52

boopetboopt · Today 13:48

So let me get this right.

whit brits are in the minority in London, Birmingham and Manchester. For example.

yet that’s ok?

righjttttttttt

Is there a problem with people not being white?

Strawberrryfields · Today 13:52

Dappy777 · Today 13:44

Forget 50 years, it's over now. This is no longer a country. As two-tier Keir said, it's now an "island of strangers." The destructive, masochistic, hate-filled Left have used immigration as a tool to destroy national identity. Andrew Neather, a speechwriter for Blair, admitted that their plan was use immigration to "rub the right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date." Personally, I call that fascism – liberal fascism.

I no longer live in a nation with a shared history, shared culture, shared identity, etc. It's a joke. I wouldn't even fly the St George or the Union Jack in case someone threw a brick through my window. Our libraries and universities have been 'de-colonised' and even the literary canon is under attack. When I was young, I knew who I was. I was English-British. My history was the Battle of Britain and the tragedy of the Somme and the poetry of Wilfred Owen. It was Dickens and Jane Austen and Virginia Woolf. Now I no longer feel that way. I don't know who I am.

I hate the people who have done this to me. HATE them. I don't hate 'immigrants'. Certain groups I dislike, but I love the sweet Filipino nurse who lives next door, and the nice Punjabi lady who runs my local shop. It's a question of scale. The small island of Okinawa has its own distinct identity. If ten million white Swedes moved there, they would change the identity of Okinawa forever. It's as simple as 2 + 2 = 4. No one voted for mass immigration or multiculturalism. They were IMPOSED on us.

You don’t know who you are anymore? Ffs get a grip. I can tell you who you are if you want, though you probably won’t like my answer. 🙄

boopetboopt · Today 13:48

DeflectionAndWhataboutery · Today 13:47

Can you clarify what you mean by this? If you subscribe to the great replacement theory just say so.

So let me get this right.

whit brits are in the minority in London, Birmingham and Manchester. For example.

yet that’s ok?

righjttttttttt

boopetboopt · Today 13:47

DeflectionAndWhataboutery · Today 13:47

Can you clarify what you mean by this? If you subscribe to the great replacement theory just say so.

If you want to put a name to it, so be.

the amount of companies and schools that u publish hijabs is weird.

DeflectionAndWhataboutery · Today 13:47

CurdinHenry · Today 11:49

The demographic stats are really startling. I guess it's one way to put an end to the sectarian problem. Well the original one anyway.

Can you clarify what you mean by this? If you subscribe to the great replacement theory just say so.

boopetboopt · Today 13:45

Yes Muslims

Dappy777 · Today 13:44

Forget 50 years, it's over now. This is no longer a country. As two-tier Keir said, it's now an "island of strangers." The destructive, masochistic, hate-filled Left have used immigration as a tool to destroy national identity. Andrew Neather, a speechwriter for Blair, admitted that their plan was use immigration to "rub the right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date." Personally, I call that fascism – liberal fascism.

I no longer live in a nation with a shared history, shared culture, shared identity, etc. It's a joke. I wouldn't even fly the St George or the Union Jack in case someone threw a brick through my window. Our libraries and universities have been 'de-colonised' and even the literary canon is under attack. When I was young, I knew who I was. I was English-British. My history was the Battle of Britain and the tragedy of the Somme and the poetry of Wilfred Owen. It was Dickens and Jane Austen and Virginia Woolf. Now I no longer feel that way. I don't know who I am.

I hate the people who have done this to me. HATE them. I don't hate 'immigrants'. Certain groups I dislike, but I love the sweet Filipino nurse who lives next door, and the nice Punjabi lady who runs my local shop. It's a question of scale. The small island of Okinawa has its own distinct identity. If ten million white Swedes moved there, they would change the identity of Okinawa forever. It's as simple as 2 + 2 = 4. No one voted for mass immigration or multiculturalism. They were IMPOSED on us.

blondeseaside · Today 13:44

Snowyowl99 · Today 13:36

Exactly!

Rubbish. That's like saying that everything in Coventry is English, because it's in England....try that in Foleshill, an area where there is nothing English at all.

ilovesooty · Today 13:44

TemperanceWest · Today 12:01

In what way?

Perhaps there were brown people. Of course Zia Yusuf is Scottish, despite being brown.

PammyPrang · Today 13:40

OooPourUsACupLove · Today 13:22

The people living in 50 years time (assuming we don't have total climate collapse and end of civilisation) will think being "Scottish" is what they see around them. Just as people 50 years ago had a different idea of "normal" and "change" to you. Most of what we understand as traditionally "Scottish" culture today was created during the 19th (possibly also 18th, I'm not sure) Scottish Nationalist revival.

Things change all the time. It's very human to see the state of things when we are growing up like some sort of fixed point that change happens to but it isn't, every time is just one moment in a river of ongoing change.

I thought the other day, walking down my high street which is one of the most multicultural in the UK, in 50 years time Britain may not be considered a white country any more. And you know what? I realised I don't care. I feel just as connected to a future Britain that isn't mostly white as I do to one that is. It will still be Britain. It will still be that story, moving on and changing as it always has. There are cultural moments in my neighbourhood that are uniquely British now because there are children growing up together as neighbours from cultures that would never have met if they were tied to geography rather than all here at this exact point in time.

All that we need to do to qualify for our place in the story is to be here and be part of it.

The thing is it won’t be “one great big melting pot”. I think we will have major sectarianism, with certain places - city states if you will - under Sharia law, with mandatory female covering, dog bans, call to prayer etc.

I don’t think it will be possible to have any form of united country as there has to be some shared cultural vision.

The problem is not “immigrants” per se, it’s the class of immigrant. The middle classes are rapidly shrinking, and a underclass (of all colours) is burgeoning. It’s unsustainable.

Snowyowl99 · Today 13:40

CurdinHenry · Today 12:09

Er because of the country being borderline bankrupt, three days weeks, doing homework by candlelight when the power was off.

Didn't sound fab...

Well i lived in it and it was a good time. Best of times

Redpaisley · Today 13:38

CurdinHenry · Today 11:49

The demographic stats are really startling. I guess it's one way to put an end to the sectarian problem. Well the original one anyway.

Demographics will change and you can’t do anything about it so accept it.

Countries are not created in some perfect self sustaining ways.

In the developing world, there’s over population and those people need more lands resources so those who worked hard and can manage, leave for developed countries.

On the other hand, developed countries don’t have enough young people so they need workers. So none of the countries are self sufficient in the long term. People will leave countries for greener pastures and then the greener pastures will be no longer sustainable because every land has a capacity and then people will move somewhere else. I think one day the earth won’t be able to deal with so much pressure of providing for so many people demanding so much resources.

TinyLittleThings · Today 13:37

Thank God I'll be dead in 50years time - the world will be awful by then

Snowyowl99 · Today 13:36

JustWalnut · Today 11:42

Everywhere and everything in Glasgow is Scottish. Because it's in Scotland. Hope that helps.

Exactly!

frozendaisy · Today 13:26

daisychain01 · Today 13:05

Easier said than done.

Many many people feel and are completely disempowered in making change happen. Look at all the people who have a degree and cannot find work other than behind the bar at a Spoons or stacking shelves.

It's another trope like the "just work harder and don't buy so many Costa coffees" as the solution to the unaffordable of housing.

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There are things you can control though. You can use the best of advancements and ignore the rest.
You can decide that regardless of where someone was born, or how they arrived living in your road that they are also other human beings with hopes, dreams and traditions.
You can keep yourself healthy to try and avoid unnecessary visits to the GP/NHS
You can be happy with enough instead of wanting more
You can go to church for community (everyone bangs on about the UK being lost but you don’t see crowds flocking into churches even though people bang on about Christian values)

We have a free at the point of use, still, for the time being health service, we have benefits so people aren’t starving, we have to option of buying cheap goods.

And I know the issues with housing, stunted life possibilities for the young, the cost and possible pointlessness of university, the difficulties for the younger generations we have two teens in exam years and by jove it’s a different world to our world. But they have the internet and YouTube full of free tutors (one of ours is upstairs learning Arabic quotes for his RE mock right now), there are huge problems their generation need to solve, they are going to have to be inventive. We as their parents have/are going to bypass any inheritance to us direct to them and pay £100k plus god knows for their higher education. So we know this. We could navel gaze “it’s not fair” and you know what some things aren’t “fair” they just are.

Some things are better, some things are worse. Like every generation/time/place in history.

The UK was rich (beyond it’s natural means) because we had an Empire, we matched in and stole India for starters, we are utter hypocrites for thinking “oh immigrants coming here taking things” - that was our job eh!

We have an educated, creative population. We have a world-class creative industry and mostly robust ethics and political system. Brexit was a shot in the foot and some now want to get rid of the BBC (big mistake - change it yes but instead of looking at the soft power and influence it still has many want to put it in the bin).

We don’t treasure and support the good stuff in the UK, we just whinge and complain. And do nothing. That is who we are now.

There’s loads of things people can do.

Popstarrrrr · Today 13:23

CurdinHenry · Today 11:49

The demographic stats are really startling. I guess it's one way to put an end to the sectarian problem. Well the original one anyway.

When I read your opening post I really wasn't sure what you were getting out. Then you posted this and voila, all became clear.

An interesting way to start one of the many 'too many forrreigner' threads I'll give you.

Letsgonowthen · Today 13:22

Unfortunately I think it's a symptom of globalism. Every highstreet starts to look the same, with the same shops. The same products are available everywhere, the same food. So what differentiates places gets less and less.

OooPourUsACupLove · Today 13:22

CurdinHenry · Today 11:38

Just thinking about how different the UK was in the 70s and how change is supercharged now by tech and mass migration and the loss of shared cultural reference points in TV and newspapers and radio.

I live in Glasgow and many parts of it are no longer at all Scottish-seeming apart from the old sandstone tenements. What even is Scottish any more? It's hard to imagine Scottish independence being taken up by the new communities. But what's next?

I think human societies are programmed to self destruct every so often in the absence of external numbers control pressures and I think that's what's starting now across Europe. We have never had it so good in the history of time yet rage flourishes

What can we do as individuals, I'm just not sure

The people living in 50 years time (assuming we don't have total climate collapse and end of civilisation) will think being "Scottish" is what they see around them. Just as people 50 years ago had a different idea of "normal" and "change" to you. Most of what we understand as traditionally "Scottish" culture today was created during the 19th (possibly also 18th, I'm not sure) Scottish Nationalist revival.

Things change all the time. It's very human to see the state of things when we are growing up like some sort of fixed point that change happens to but it isn't, every time is just one moment in a river of ongoing change.

I thought the other day, walking down my high street which is one of the most multicultural in the UK, in 50 years time Britain may not be considered a white country any more. And you know what? I realised I don't care. I feel just as connected to a future Britain that isn't mostly white as I do to one that is. It will still be Britain. It will still be that story, moving on and changing as it always has. There are cultural moments in my neighbourhood that are uniquely British now because there are children growing up together as neighbours from cultures that would never have met if they were tied to geography rather than all here at this exact point in time.

All that we need to do to qualify for our place in the story is to be here and be part of it.

sunshinestar1986 · Today 13:21

Aussiesgettingsmashed · Today 12:17

AI is projected to wipe out humanity by the middle of the next decade so hopefully that puts your mind at rest.

😂

HoppityBun · Today 13:19

CurdinHenry · Today 13:17

There wasn't an NHS at all 80 years ago. Barely anyone went to university or even left the area they were born.

I thought you were asking talking about 50 years ago?

cavvum · Today 13:18

the loss of shared cultural reference points in TV and newspapers and radio
what do you mean by this?

CurdinHenry · Today 13:17

AnonyMumAuDHD · Today 12:32

It depends upon what measures of wealth you are using? Yes, we have central heating and hot water, double glazing; most families have cars, tvs/phones and annual holidays so compared to growing up 50 years ago we seem superficially wealthier. But are we?

The NHS is crumbling and people are dying from avoidable illnesses as a result of delayed diagnosis; schools are struggling with large class sizes and lack of resources; our children are getting into considerable debt to get degrees that no longer aid in anyway to get them jobs; there are fewer and fewer jobs for all age groups, but the under 25s especially; and many people have no hope of ever owning their own homes without the benefit of inherited wealth… which is being eroded by care costs in old age.

So, in some respects having an outside loo/bathroom, one central fireplace, no second car or annual holidays are hardly compensation for an education system that equipped you with the skills to enter the workforce, plenty of local work in industry/retail/agriculture and the expectation that an average wage would actually pay for rent, utilities and put food on the table makes many feel very shortchanged. And far from ‘wealthy’ compared to their grandparents.

There wasn't an NHS at all 80 years ago. Barely anyone went to university or even left the area they were born.

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RaininSummer · Today 13:17

Haven't read whole thread but if course many things will be different. I was a teen in the seventies and this is a different country and we do things differently here. Not all good, not all bad.

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