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My DH wants to move out because I washed the car I'm the wrong way

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Brownhotwaterbottle · Today 08:50

Im 41, My DH (50) is recently diagnosed autistic. He's always been pretty rigid so the diagnosis didn't come as a surprise.
Yesterday we were going to his parents house me and the kids were driving there but DH was taking bus from work. The car was really muddy so spur of the moment I decided to drive through the car wash on the way there (his parents are quite judgy so I didnt fancy rocking up in a muddy car). Now full transparency DH has asked me not to go through the car wash as it "ruins the paintwork" but he also promised to wash it himself and has only done that twice since we bought the car in March. Anyway we had a nice time with his family and we went out to the local pub for some food DH and his parents had a couple pints and I entertained the kids and drove everyone home afterwards. But when we got into the car my youngest made a remark that we went through the car wash on the way there. DH was totally silent the whole way home (which was awkward as kids and me were chatting away) and went straight to bed without even saying goodnight to me or the kids. Then when I apologised he freaked out saying I don't respect him as he only asked me "one thing" and it shows what I think of him said everyone would be happier if he lived in an apartment alone. I said it sounds like thats what you want. He said yes that's true. So I said " OK fine I won't stand in your way take the car and go get an apartment" to which he then said angrily "you'd like that wouldn't you. This is my home I'm not leaving" like wtf I can't keep up. This morning he's still not speaking to me.

OP posts:
Shinyandnew1 · Today 13:11

If he had just cleaned the car like he said he would, you wouldn’t have gone to get it cleaned! I’d have taken it to a handwash place then he’d never have even known.

Can you afford to live separately? Do you work/own half the house/car?

I would be pissed off that I drove them all to the pub and back so they could have a few drinks, and all you got was criticism!

He can go alone next time in his dirty car and drink lemonade.

Ilovelifeverymuch · Today 13:10

JamSwirl · Today 09:25

Well it's not good he asked for one thing that mattered to him, and you decided your way was better. I'm not sure being nd has anything to do with that.

I think this boils down to he knows you don't want him around. You even said so yourself. And it seems there are some things he doesn't like about you. So to be kind to all you should figure that out as you clearly don't suit living together. But don't chuck him out of his own home or threaten that. Isn't that pretty cruel.

Sorry but that does not justify his reaction at all. Not AT ALL so stop trying to make excuses.

And if he was so particular about how the car must be washed he can bloody well wash it himself cant he?

Yes she shouldn't have washed it that way but it's not the end of the world and he doesn't get to treat her like a little child that he can control with his tantrums and silent shoulder, no. He can fuck off to his apartment all he wants.

Yes she said she doesn't want him around because this isn't a one off, he sucks the air and joy out of every situation and the home and is usually off by himself in the room doing his thing ignoring his wife and kids. Don't try to spin it and act like OP went to the carwash to upset him because she doesn't want him around.

And on top of that she has to deal with a bunch of judgemental inlaws as well, what a wonderful bunch.

There's obviously no love in the marriage as things stand and with him repeatedly rejecting even attempts at marriage counselling and I've obvious OP is only hanging on because of her kids not because he has some amazing redeeming features.

You say she shouldn't chuck him out his home while ignoring the clear fact that HR threatened to move out and then change this mind when he didn't get his frosted reaction from OP aka she wasn't begging him please don't go!!!

Edit:

"How did I threaten him?. He said he'd be happier in an apartment alone and I said "go ahead and get an apartment alone if that's what you want" every other time he's said this I've backed down and said ",no please stay" "we are a family don't go" but why should I do that anymore.... if he wants to go just go ffs
Go to post"

I didn't even see OPs response before I posted and I knew immediately it was a controlling tactic, he threatens to leave and she has to beg him to stay and when It didn't work this time he quickly backtracked and then attacked her for wanting him to go. Classic emotional controlling tactic.

ApronSprings · Today 13:08

As someone who is ND myself, I have specific things I like being done a certain way. Like I want things in a certain place.
But guess what, if we have guests coming over and me and DH are both trying our best to get the house in order he will be throwing things in random drawers, and I have to suck it up. The greater good is having the house tidy.
It's about being reasonable. It is reasonable if the car is filthy to get it cleaned in the easiest most practical way when you have two kids.
The kids prob find it fun going through the car wash too.

OP's DH needs to look beyond himself and while his brain may dislike certain things, and it might be frustrating, uncomfortable, a justice sensitivity wound, sometimes you have to say you know what, I'm not an island, and I want to live with other people and that means if I don't clean the car then there is a risk somebody else will.
Is it reasonable for a car that's muddy to be cleaned in any way possible? Yes.

I'd be out there washing it with washing up liquid just to spite him, so he's very lucky.

DoNotIron · Today 13:05

There are obviously bigger problems here than how the car is washed. But one thing I would say is that you need to stop worrying about what your in laws think of you, ie their potential judgement over a muddy car. I have learned this over many years of my in laws thinking I’m a ‘strange girl’ (am 59 now and still get called this!) They think I’m strange because I’m not like them. It took me a long time to accept that not being like them wasn’t a fault. The scenario with not wanting the car scratched by a mechanical car wash is very familiar, as DP is like this. In his case it’s more about painted surfaces or varnish or other household items getting marked or chipped. I agree with some of it because I recognise that looking after something makes it last longer and realise that I can be a bit careless about ‘stuff’. My parents were very relaxed about this kind of thing when I was growing up and sometimes I feel that DP values ‘stuff’ over people. I ignore his preferences over some of the more trivial things because it’s my house too. I think it’s not a great environment for children to grow up with an overly fussy or rules obsessed parent and I know that DP made a huge effort to curb his instincts to restrict their play, which I recognise and appreciate.

shuggles · Today 13:04

@Brownhotwaterbottle How I long for a life so uneventful and trouble-free as your husband's that I would collapse into a state of despair over something as trivial, inconsequential, and insignificant as the possibility of paintwork being damaged on my car due to a car wash.

TheSunnySwan · Today 13:03

Your husband diagnosis doesn't mean he should speak to you like that he is just extremely rude let him go and find somewhere else to live with his car you and your children shouldn't have to put up with his bull crap

justasking111 · Today 13:02

Brownhotwaterbottle · Today 09:30

How did I threaten him?. He said he'd be happier in an apartment alone and I said "go ahead and get an apartment alone if that's what you want" every other time he's said this I've backed down and said ",no please stay" "we are a family don't go" but why should I do that anymore.... if he wants to go just go ffs

I don't think Jam Swirl realises how distressing at first it is when they threaten to walk out. Then one day you hear it for the umpteenth time, and say there's the door, just go. Be happy living alone.

ToffeePennie · Today 13:00

This isn’t his autism or “rigid thinking” he is being a dick.
His reaction is massively OTT, especially as he doesn’t wash the bloody car himself.
As the wife of an autistic husband with an autistic son, this is not the autism. This is his lack of empathy for you: this is abuse.

Treehorns · Today 13:00

Controlling and abusive.
Whatever his diagnosis.
Time to give yourself and the children some peace.

allthingsinmoderation · Today 12:52

Thats a difficult situation.
Your DH seems to be saying if you do not do exactly as i think best i will leave you...
Which is abusive and controlling.
get legal advice .

Maninasuitcase · Today 12:52

Only on Mumsnet. Neuro-diverse the get together out of jail free card. This is such an over reaction, it suggests he’s a complete tossed. How have you coped with behaviour like this long enough to have children.

ApronSprings · Today 12:49

SparkleHorse82 · Today 10:43

This is all when and good when you’re talking about someone who is an abuser.

But this is a neurodivergent man living with extreme anxiety who is only able to cope with the world as it is, and live in it in a productive way, by creating a set of rules that make meaning of it for him.

Now in no way am I saying that OP should follow any of these rules or feel that they should have to apply for her. She may decide the only way she can be free of them is to separate.

But that is categorically not the same as being an abusive partner.

I think people who have never loved someone who is ND do not understand that it affects every single thing about their life. It’s not just being socially awkward or good at maths or whatever. They simply do not understand how the NT world operates and create these elaborate coping mechanisms to survive.

The only thing has that stopped me divorcing my DH is my DD being diagnosed and me realising that I had been approaching my marriage all wrong . We are now in a much better place. That didn’t involve me being controlled by him or following any of his rules, but it did involve me letting go of how he parents when I am not in the house (nothing abusive obviously, we just disagree about certain boundaries around things like screen time and snacks)

If he is living with extreme anxiety then it is for him to address it with therapy. There's no reason for anyone to be living with extreme anxiety.
He has refused help and then expects everyone even his own children to tip toe around him.

It's HIS problem.

FriendlyMedusa · Today 12:47

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I really feel for him here. Autism and OCD have a lot of overlapping traits and it can be genuinely stressful not to have control over certain things that feel important to us but banal to others. But the control is about personal anxiety, not gaining power or making others feel less than like e.g. a narcissist would be doing. It was important to him and silly to you. Can you not understand the hurt there?

I'm sure his quirks are very difficult to live with and your frustration is valid - It's totally fair to have run out of patience. Equally, I think he deserves to live with someone who won't intentionally trigger him this way. It was not an accident but a choice, so I can understand him feeling disrespected - Especially since you hid it rather than letting him know. He also needs therapy to manage his anxiety and resultant compulsive behaviours better.

What I don't understand is why you're criticising him for talking about leaving when he's (correctly) identified that it's what you want.

ApronSprings · Today 12:46

PenelopeShadow · Today 10:42

That is true.

But, when we read on here about autistic children or teenagers, the responses are, for the most part, very sympathetic towards them and their behaviours whether at school or at home.

Do they suddenly shed these behaviours when they become an adult? When they pass the age of 21, are they longer entitled to sympathy for behaviours which they cannot help as they are disabled?

It does seem off that any diagnosed adult, especially a man, generates harsh responses on the board, suggesting that people think special allowances for their disability no longer need to be made.

Do people grow out of it or is there a belief that as they grow older, they should manage their disability better? Is their disability different to a person in a wheelchair. We are told so often on here that there is no distinction to be made.

Should we expect autistic people to be not quite so disabled as they were when they were young?

It's not about growing out of it. It is about taking responsibility for their rigidity.

If I felt so strongly and was so controlling about a shared item then I'd bloody have to make sure I stuck to the agreement myself. Can't hold someone else to an agreement once you've broken the agreement which was for DH to clean it to his liking.

ApronSprings · Today 12:41

Luckyingame · Today 12:26

Firstly, OP, I'm sorry you and your kids have gone through the situation.
I don't blame your husband.
If I may, as a person with Asperger's (and probably OCD), little example.
When I was about 19, working and still living with my (abusive) parents, my "mother" came into my room (which I paid them for etc, another country) and washed the window. Left handles dirty, flecks of dirt everywhere else, my polished wood desk full of water marks. I'm 47, parents are long gone. I still remember how I sat there and cried, having to thank her profusely beforehand. I was putting it right half of the night. While living with them, I weighed 48 kg/172cm. It was horrendous and I'm still struggling sometimes.
While your husband's reaction was very unpleasant and unexpected, his brain would have been despairing.
Sorry.

The difference here is your parents had natural power over you. You didn't have as much choice in the situation. You presumably hadn't agreed that you would clean the windows and then didn't.

At 19 and being autistic, you would be emotionally immature for your age and have had less life experience and knowledge of how to cope when things like this happen.

OP 's husband is in his 50s. He is in an equal and optional partnership. He has lived enough life to know his triggers for meltdowns and should have the tools to manage it. It's not his car. OP and the kids use it.

Your example isn't equivalent.

MustUseAName · Today 12:36

And again, for anyone at the back who didn’t hear BEING ND IS NOT AN EXCUSE FOR BEING AN ARSE.

oviraptor21 · Today 12:32

You cannot drive around in a dirty car, the windscreen needs to be clean especially this time of the year with low sun

A little off topic but I've washed my car roughly three times in the three years I've had it. It's fine. The windscreen gets cleaned when it's rainy or occasionally I'll use the wash/wipe. It's dark grey so doesn't show the dirt. Looks a bit shinier and blacker when it's been washed but otherwise little different.

OP - agree with the others - this is no way to live. You both seem to want out so just do it and try to do it as amicably as possible.

Waytoohothot · Today 12:30

SparkleHorse82 · Today 10:43

This is all when and good when you’re talking about someone who is an abuser.

But this is a neurodivergent man living with extreme anxiety who is only able to cope with the world as it is, and live in it in a productive way, by creating a set of rules that make meaning of it for him.

Now in no way am I saying that OP should follow any of these rules or feel that they should have to apply for her. She may decide the only way she can be free of them is to separate.

But that is categorically not the same as being an abusive partner.

I think people who have never loved someone who is ND do not understand that it affects every single thing about their life. It’s not just being socially awkward or good at maths or whatever. They simply do not understand how the NT world operates and create these elaborate coping mechanisms to survive.

The only thing has that stopped me divorcing my DH is my DD being diagnosed and me realising that I had been approaching my marriage all wrong . We are now in a much better place. That didn’t involve me being controlled by him or following any of his rules, but it did involve me letting go of how he parents when I am not in the house (nothing abusive obviously, we just disagree about certain boundaries around things like screen time and snacks)

Thats ok then i wonder how many men who kill their partners when their partner leaves them are ND but all ok coz hes ND! you only think its ok as somewhere in your life or background youve been conditioned to believe its ok, if a teacher bullies your child is that ok coz theyre ND or a friend never pays and is rude is that ok coz theyre ND , if you accept the behaviour like this of an ND partner you are teaching your children to accept this behaviour in their relationships, ....why on earth would anyone tolerate abuse rather than be single and justify it by saying the kids would rather he abused me and we stay together, the world has gone mad....

PearPeer · Today 12:29

Brownhotwaterbottle · Today 08:50

Im 41, My DH (50) is recently diagnosed autistic. He's always been pretty rigid so the diagnosis didn't come as a surprise.
Yesterday we were going to his parents house me and the kids were driving there but DH was taking bus from work. The car was really muddy so spur of the moment I decided to drive through the car wash on the way there (his parents are quite judgy so I didnt fancy rocking up in a muddy car). Now full transparency DH has asked me not to go through the car wash as it "ruins the paintwork" but he also promised to wash it himself and has only done that twice since we bought the car in March. Anyway we had a nice time with his family and we went out to the local pub for some food DH and his parents had a couple pints and I entertained the kids and drove everyone home afterwards. But when we got into the car my youngest made a remark that we went through the car wash on the way there. DH was totally silent the whole way home (which was awkward as kids and me were chatting away) and went straight to bed without even saying goodnight to me or the kids. Then when I apologised he freaked out saying I don't respect him as he only asked me "one thing" and it shows what I think of him said everyone would be happier if he lived in an apartment alone. I said it sounds like thats what you want. He said yes that's true. So I said " OK fine I won't stand in your way take the car and go get an apartment" to which he then said angrily "you'd like that wouldn't you. This is my home I'm not leaving" like wtf I can't keep up. This morning he's still not speaking to me.

What a baby!
Yes he 'only asked one thing' but so did you, that he'd clean the car himself.

I'd let him move out to be honest.

shhblackbag · Today 12:29

CatSquirrelDuck · Today 12:25

I'd be quite clear with him while he sits there in his sulky silence: "I won't spend my life walking on eggshells in my own house. Being autistic doesn't mean you're not also being an asshole. And you're being an asshole. It's my car, too. Your parents are just as judgmental as you are, frankly, and I wasn't prepared to listen to their crap, just like I'm not prepared to listen to yours. So Yes, I took OUR car through the car wash like 1000s do every day in this country so I wouldn't have to listen to their crap about the mud on it. You've washed OUR car exactly twice since we bought it, despite promises to the contrary when we bought it. So you've forced my hand, so to speak, and that's on you. Don't like it? Too bad. Stay and deal with me, your children and your family life like a grown up and stop threatening to move out over every little thing or I might just take you up on it."

All of the above. I would be preparing for divorce.

Life is entirely too short. Imagine going through menopause dealing with shit like this.

Luckyingame · Today 12:26

Firstly, OP, I'm sorry you and your kids have gone through the situation.
I don't blame your husband.
If I may, as a person with Asperger's (and probably OCD), little example.
When I was about 19, working and still living with my (abusive) parents, my "mother" came into my room (which I paid them for etc, another country) and washed the window. Left handles dirty, flecks of dirt everywhere else, my polished wood desk full of water marks. I'm 47, parents are long gone. I still remember how I sat there and cried, having to thank her profusely beforehand. I was putting it right half of the night. While living with them, I weighed 48 kg/172cm. It was horrendous and I'm still struggling sometimes.
While your husband's reaction was very unpleasant and unexpected, his brain would have been despairing.
Sorry.

CatSquirrelDuck · Today 12:25

I'd be quite clear with him while he sits there in his sulky silence: "I won't spend my life walking on eggshells in my own house. Being autistic doesn't mean you're not also being an asshole. And you're being an asshole. It's my car, too. Your parents are just as judgmental as you are, frankly, and I wasn't prepared to listen to their crap, just like I'm not prepared to listen to yours. So Yes, I took OUR car through the car wash like 1000s do every day in this country so I wouldn't have to listen to their crap about the mud on it. You've washed OUR car exactly twice since we bought it, despite promises to the contrary when we bought it. So you've forced my hand, so to speak, and that's on you. Don't like it? Too bad. Stay and deal with me, your children and your family life like a grown up and stop threatening to move out over every little thing or I might just take you up on it."

ApronSprings · Today 12:24

Brownhotwaterbottle · Today 09:55

I think for me it's triggered me back to 2021/2022 where he was so rigid about covid even way after the guidance was lifted. He didn't want me leaving the house with the kids. I remember him freaking out at me because i ordered takeaway and he thought that was too dangerous. He watched me on the ring doorbell and got angry because a delivery guy got too close. I had two young kids and felt so isolated. He would never be violent or anything just the same as this, saying that I didn't care about him and got silent. I went to counselling and learned to break free of his rules

Omg OP. How awful.
Run!

ApronSprings · Today 12:22

MrsBananaman · Today 12:14

So, by this logic, surely the OP was unreasonable to go the car wash?

Because what she should have done is drive the muddy car to IL’s and say “Sorry the car is so filthy, I would have gone through the car wash on the way but Dave wants to hand wash it only but hasn’t got around to it yet”

Then it’s his fault, his parents, his mud. And if he doesn’t like that then you have a leg to stand on that you specifically acknowledged and obeyed his preferences.

I would have done exactly what you suggested. However, if his parents think he shits gold then they may still find a way for it to be OP's fault.
The poor woman can't do right.

watchingthishtread · Today 12:22

He has said before that he's moving out and each time you have asked him not to. There was a routine there. He knew what to expect. This time you called his bluff. He got a different response to what he was expecting. Ignore is mood for now and just let him sit with it until he manages to process your response. The next move is his. If you want him to go he's going to need to think it's his idea. Otherwise he will dig his heels in and never leave. You need to think strategically.

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