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Using AI to remove school photo watermarks

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marblyarch · Yesterday 21:01

I’m surprised at how many people are doing this. Some school mums were discussing it after I mentioned forking out for DSs photographs (20 pounds for one digital image), sort of in a ‘why would you pay for them when ChatGPT removes the watermarks for free!’ I mentioned it later to my sister who proceeded to show me how she’d done it with my nieces school images! To be fair they looked great! No difference at all and she saved £££. But it just feels a bit off to me? If everyone starts doing it then professional school photos just won’t happen anymore…

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Wingwalk · Today 16:16

HolidayHideaway · Today 16:12

What constitutes “personal”? That’s the question…

Well, for example, anything which one might tell it if using it "as a therapist". I would however ask it stuff like "which supermarket has the cheapest own brand beans" or "which pubs in my area are showing the champions league"

hiintrepidheroes · Today 16:12

I fear for the children of parents doing things like this. They haven’t consented to having their photos uploaded and on top of that who knows how their images are being used and abused.

HolidayHideaway · Today 16:12

Wingwalk · Today 16:07

It is a danger now, as well. The security is extremely iffy. AI is very "clever" and can "hack" its own secure systems. Look up Sandbox escapes. I wouldn't be "telling" it anything personal.

PS sorry for the excessive quotation marks. Reading that back is very wanky but I can't be arsed to rephrase it.

What constitutes “personal”? That’s the question…

OonaStubbs · Today 16:11

The whole industry of school photos is obsolete now that everyone has a high resolution camera in their pocket and access to photoshop etc.

TheGentleHelper · Today 16:11

The photographer owns the artwork, even if it is your own child.

Once you upload it to AI it is in the cloud forever and everyone to use.

People have already noticed their own likenesses being used to AI adverts. We cannot challenge the legality of it.

Wingwalk · Today 16:07

HolidayHideaway · Today 16:00

I worry re: everyone using it as a very personal therapist - not a danger poss now but if in future it marries up personal info & images?

It is a danger now, as well. The security is extremely iffy. AI is very "clever" and can "hack" its own secure systems. Look up Sandbox escapes. I wouldn't be "telling" it anything personal.

PS sorry for the excessive quotation marks. Reading that back is very wanky but I can't be arsed to rephrase it.

JamesFrond · Today 16:07

NewNameW · Today 14:27

Perhaps the schools could use the photographers for only people who intend on buying pictures?

They make it a big event each year and probably wastes alot of the schools time, the photographers time and the kids learning time.

'Photographer is in on November 12th, if you'd like to purchase a photo please let us know by October 20th, here is a link to pre purchase your photo'

Solves the issue, I guess

It’s not an event, nor does it take loads of time. My class was had individual photos last week. Twenty six children and it took fifteen minutes, I know this because it was playtime and my children were like cats on a hot tin roof trying to get out.

JamesFrond · Today 16:04

Onemanpedrodiablo · Yesterday 21:21

😂 pretty sure chatgpt isn't using uploaded school photos to make sexual abuse images of children as some kind of ai side hustle!

Are you! Gosh.

I wouldn’t do it because I’d rather just take my own photo.

TheGentleHelper · Today 16:01

The law states that the picture of your child is now the photographers own work.

They can do anything they like with it. I would not allow some randomer to take a photo of my child. The photographer can re-sell it.

HolidayHideaway · Today 16:00

fretaway · Today 15:53

Using images of your child is the worst case scenario.
However the general public really need to question more how much personal information they are feeding into AI. We don’t know where this information goes to and what happens to it, other than we do know it goes to America.
So you need to know if you have uploaded an image to AI, it will use that same image to search other sources on the internet and collect more information related to that and it doesn’t need your permission.
Yes AI is a useful tool but remember whatever you submit is kept so be very careful what you give it.

I worry re: everyone using it as a very personal therapist - not a danger poss now but if in future it marries up personal info & images?

fretaway · Today 15:53

Using images of your child is the worst case scenario.
However the general public really need to question more how much personal information they are feeding into AI. We don’t know where this information goes to and what happens to it, other than we do know it goes to America.
So you need to know if you have uploaded an image to AI, it will use that same image to search other sources on the internet and collect more information related to that and it doesn’t need your permission.
Yes AI is a useful tool but remember whatever you submit is kept so be very careful what you give it.

Ponderingwindow · Today 15:44

We just had professional photos done and the watermarks on the sample gallery were insane. I now understand why.

I have them watermark free now because I paid my bill. They are amazing photos and the photographer deserves what she earned.

FunnyOrca · Today 15:42

Onemanpedrodiablo · Yesterday 21:21

😂 pretty sure chatgpt isn't using uploaded school photos to make sexual abuse images of children as some kind of ai side hustle!

Except we know it is.

Every image you feed it, teaches it more. Put your blonde four year old in and then some criminal comes along to make an indecent image of a blonde four year old, the image you gave is going to contribute to that in some way. It may look exactly like your child or it may look nothing like your child.

Stop feeding your children to AI.

Thatcannotberight · Today 15:38

Switcher · Today 14:49

Tempest is actually my favourite one. Some of the others are absolutely dire.

Oh dear. They must be bad. One year there were so many complaints about how awful the pictures were they had to come back and redo them.

Ultraalox · Today 15:16

Stop putting your children’s faces into AI. And it’s ’child sexual abuse material’ - not child porn.

Napph · Today 15:00

It's a breach of copyright law

SethAndReubenTooSendGaloshes · Today 14:51

Professional school photographers are a job that won't exist in a few years due to AI
Capability to do this stuff exists. People aren't going to not do these things due to ethics unfortunately so people need to adapt.

Switcher · Today 14:49

Thatcannotberight · Today 14:37

Local schools have always used Tempest, which I assumed was a franchise, but apparently they employ and train all their photographers.

Judging by the last few, they need to up their training. We used to be offered three choices and it was hard to decide which one to buy. Now it's two choices and it's trying to decide which is the least worst. 😬.
Thankfully yr 10 and it's the last one. If these companies want to protect their work and income they need to do much better.

Tempest is actually my favourite one. Some of the others are absolutely dire.

Switcher · Today 14:48

Some years the quality has been so bad I've not bought them. I don't try to obtain them for free though because I don't steal things.

Thatcannotberight · Today 14:37

Local schools have always used Tempest, which I assumed was a franchise, but apparently they employ and train all their photographers.

Judging by the last few, they need to up their training. We used to be offered three choices and it was hard to decide which one to buy. Now it's two choices and it's trying to decide which is the least worst. 😬.
Thankfully yr 10 and it's the last one. If these companies want to protect their work and income they need to do much better.

Dandeloosha · Today 14:28

A ‘formal’ school photo is completely unnecessary these days. They were a nice memento of a moment in time when photography and development was expensive and most of us took maybe 24 photos a year on a camera we’d borrowed from our dad with a flash that would blind you and only worked 4 times. Then you took the film to Boots and they sent it off somewhere and it came back in 2 weeks if you were lucky. Nowadays we have thousands of photos of our kids. A posed school photo is an irrelevance. If you want one you can take it yourself in 2 minutes. We can take our own passport photos now. A school photo is easy as pie.

Wingwalk · Today 14:27

NewNameW · Today 14:27

Perhaps the schools could use the photographers for only people who intend on buying pictures?

They make it a big event each year and probably wastes alot of the schools time, the photographers time and the kids learning time.

'Photographer is in on November 12th, if you'd like to purchase a photo please let us know by October 20th, here is a link to pre purchase your photo'

Solves the issue, I guess

Probably cos people don't know if they want them till they see them though.

NewNameW · Today 14:27

Wingwalk · Today 14:24

I think if you feel pressured by the school and your kids to buy a photo which you don't want, to the extent that you'd steal one (which doesn't even make sense, that's not what the school is trying to "pressure" you into doing) then you need to work on your assertiveness not your photoshop skills

Perhaps the schools could use the photographers for only people who intend on buying pictures?

They make it a big event each year and probably wastes alot of the schools time, the photographers time and the kids learning time.

'Photographer is in on November 12th, if you'd like to purchase a photo please let us know by October 20th, here is a link to pre purchase your photo'

Solves the issue, I guess

Wingwalk · Today 14:24

ThatRedFish · Today 13:55

So many school photographers are talentless these days, they know how to use a camera and that is it!! You can get a better photo on your bog standard phone without having done any course etc…..

I think school photographers are absolute sharks, knowing parents will feel pressured to buy their awful work. Considering the lack of school photographer talent, and that the whole enterprise was probably funded by mum and dad to show their darling child they are talented…. A paid photographer…..

I don’t think it’s particularly wrong or immoral for parents to do this. I think what they do is quite immoral. I know 2 wrongs don’t make a right…. However, also, I do think there is some justification there…..

Parents will just show their DC they bought the terrible photo and display a nicer picture.

I think if you feel pressured by the school and your kids to buy a photo which you don't want, to the extent that you'd steal one (which doesn't even make sense, that's not what the school is trying to "pressure" you into doing) then you need to work on your assertiveness not your photoshop skills

YksiKaksiKolme · Today 14:20

We had to pay £30 each picture.
And you are surprised?
We simply didn't buy any.