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To think you can find a job after 45

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Hoppity80 · Yesterday 20:54

Just saw an insta post by the influencer Stacey Duguid.

She is a former fashion journalist who has been chronicling her experience on insta of being rejected from hundreds of jobs across multiple sectors. She argues that inbuilt bias in AI applicant tracking systems mean mid life women are often automatically rejected and is speaking up about women having to minimise their experience to get past the systems.

Her latest post says that women are now being split into two groups by employers: under 45s and over. And if you are over 45 you are classed as old and unemployable.

I know there is lots of age based mysogyny out there but AIBU to find this utterly terrifying and to think the situation is not quite as extreme as this.

I am around that age and feel I’ve only properly got going - although I’ve been working for over 20’years. I am full time with bags of energy and a real learning mindset!

if you are an employer pls can you give some insight about why you wouldnt employ a woman over 45?

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Astra53 · Today 17:56

I was made redundant earlier this year after 18 years with the same company. I got another job in the same field 3 months later, after taking the first six weeks off. I am 62.

Hoppity80 · Today 17:47

rockingandrolling23 · Today 16:50

Yes I am being rocked by this right now. I have had an absolutely stellar career. I’ve worked for well known companies in marketing since leaving Uni. Looking back on my cv I went to a great uni, and managed to get great roles at great companies the whole way through.

Ive never had a career break- there are no gaps on my cv.

but now at 50 I have completely given up almost. Marketing is a young person’s game possibly? I’ve now edited my cv like you said op, and cut off 20 years experience.

despite my great career I’m not ceo (nor ever wanted to be) but I’ve had respectable middle management jobs where I’ve done great work. But I think they’re looking for late20s/early 30s for those roles now (exactly the age when you’re wanting a baby and trying to juggle all of that!)
I genuinely feel more energetic and present now than in my early 30s, as I have time and attention to pay to my job now. Although I don’t have one!

thinking of going into teaching and applying to supermarkets in the short term.

but pretty disappointed in general.

why do you think they just want late 20s and 30s?

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Hoppity80 · Today 17:46

scotchpotch · Today 16:59

Absolute nonsense in my experience. I got my dream job (in education) at the age of 55 after a break due to disability and, because of my experience and CV, I got an interview straight away. I’ve found (from talking to friends) that younger people find it incredibly hard to gain employment post university.

Could i ask what kind of role in education?

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scotchpotch · Today 16:59

Absolute nonsense in my experience. I got my dream job (in education) at the age of 55 after a break due to disability and, because of my experience and CV, I got an interview straight away. I’ve found (from talking to friends) that younger people find it incredibly hard to gain employment post university.

Newusername2026 · Today 16:53

I have got 4 new jobs since age 45 but it probably depends on the sector and the type of work. At the moment people of all ages are finding it difficult....I suppose there are fewer jobs but also trickier application processes where you can be eliminated quickly without knowing why

motherhoodisntfortheweak · Today 16:51

It’s very true

rockingandrolling23 · Today 16:50

Yes I am being rocked by this right now. I have had an absolutely stellar career. I’ve worked for well known companies in marketing since leaving Uni. Looking back on my cv I went to a great uni, and managed to get great roles at great companies the whole way through.

Ive never had a career break- there are no gaps on my cv.

but now at 50 I have completely given up almost. Marketing is a young person’s game possibly? I’ve now edited my cv like you said op, and cut off 20 years experience.

despite my great career I’m not ceo (nor ever wanted to be) but I’ve had respectable middle management jobs where I’ve done great work. But I think they’re looking for late20s/early 30s for those roles now (exactly the age when you’re wanting a baby and trying to juggle all of that!)
I genuinely feel more energetic and present now than in my early 30s, as I have time and attention to pay to my job now. Although I don’t have one!

thinking of going into teaching and applying to supermarkets in the short term.

but pretty disappointed in general.

iloveanearlynight · Today 16:35

It's absolutely dire and yanbu OP. 4 years ago I had so many difficulties trying to get work, anything at all. It took me a long time and I'm in a low paid supermarket role now. It was a miracle got that as masses don't even get an interview. I found the 'tricks' in how you have to answer questions pretty demoralising too. It's no longer good enough to be your chatty, friendly self, modest, but your CV spoke for you with your achievements. Basically the more bullshitting at interview and smug self promotion you can do, the better. I reject that fake shit.

bobajob1 · Today 16:26

@Meadowfinch What industry/type of job?

THisbackwithavengeance · Today 16:15

mamaof4losingmymind · Yesterday 21:14

I think it depends on the industry but I definitely think its harder to get a job the older you are as the managers know they won't have the control over you like they would an 18 year old. Definitely not unemployable though

I suspect this coupled with misogyny.

My 25 year old boss is quite happy to be ignored and disregarded by my late 50s male colleague. She actually defers to him like he’s her dad.

Whereas she doesn’t like it if I do the same and whereas she’s not rude or stupid enough to come out with anything belittling, it’s reasonable clear that she sees me as a menopausal old biddy who has nothing much to offer.

Meadowfinch · Today 16:09

I must be bucking the trend then because I got new Head of Dept jobs at 54, 59, and 61. The last one only took me 7 week to find & sign a new contract.

I think as long as you keep your skills up to date, are enthusiastic & healthy, you should still be able to find work.

Hoppity80 · Today 15:47

bobajob1 · Today 15:12

It's uplifting news that some over-45 people/women in some industries are getting new jobs. Great to hear. However this doesn't make it any less true that other over-45s in other sectors and industries are not.

It would be really insightful to dig into the successes to understand what industries they are in, what work areas they cover, what level the vacancy they have filled is at.

Agree - are these ‘heads of’ kind of jobs, paying £60k plus I wonder?

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bobajob1 · Today 15:12

It's uplifting news that some over-45 people/women in some industries are getting new jobs. Great to hear. However this doesn't make it any less true that other over-45s in other sectors and industries are not.

It would be really insightful to dig into the successes to understand what industries they are in, what work areas they cover, what level the vacancy they have filled is at.

CosyDenimShark · Today 14:55

I was made redundant from my job of nearly 2 decades 2 years ago. I've been offered all 3 jobs that I applied for since! I took the third one. I'm 51.

Hoppity80 · Today 14:19

bobajob1 · Today 09:08

I wonder if perhaps some of the issues encountered in high profile campaigns like Stacy D’s are down to women taking long periods out the workforce or working in ultra competitive areas like fashion media.

Is it the individual's fault they can't find a job? For example, should Stacey Duguid have been more far-sighted 30 years ago when she left school and not ever become a fashion journalist?
Or is it structural factors in the economy and changes in the work environment (eg new tech) meaning that there are fewer jobs overall and fewer of the type Stacey D (again for example) would be qualified for and interested in?
Plus a dose of good old fashioned sexism and ageism. And a few other -isms, not forgetting that black women have historically found it harder than white women to find the work they want.

No of course it's not the individual's fault. I was reflecting on whether there are a number of structural factors at play that mean it is harder for some professional women to find roles in mid life. I think the situation is more nuanced than if you're 45+ you're old and out.

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Legoleopard · Today 13:42

Over 40 is my preferred group of candidates for our customer care roles as they have compassion with the customers, build rapport and are reliable!

Entry level in my dept but once your in and do 12 months options for marketing and hr etc open up.

notquiteruralbliss · Today 13:37

I got my current job (front office tech in an Investment Bank at 65)

happydaysout · Today 12:58

bobajob1 · Today 10:14

at the BBC they are plenty of people older

Yes but surely @happydaysout the BBC is a special case, meaning that once in, almost no-one leaves, staff turnover is very low/retention is very high. This has been the same all through my working lifetime. The same people who joined in their 20s and 30s are now the people in their 50s and 60s. If the older cohort left now, very few would be able to find a similar job in media, because the landscape has changed so much since they joined.

Maybe, but I joined when I was over 50!

loveawineloveacrisp · Today 10:50

Of course you can. I got a new job at 55. Senior, corporate environment. The job market is very tough at the moment though.

Phineyj · Today 10:49

Oh and my jobshare in one of them.is over state retirement age.

Phineyj · Today 10:48

I am a teacher/lecturer and have secured four new jobs since age 45 (two are part time and I'm doing them simultaneously). When I got fed up of the job I had in 2022 I quickly had interest from four schools and two of them offered.

I'm sure there's lots of ageism around but there's lots of skills shortages too. An HR specialist friend is struggling to retire as previous employers keep begging her to come back and sort out their messes!

bobajob1 · Today 10:21

@Bridgertonisbest What industry?

Bridgertonisbest · Today 10:19

I was made redundant earlier this year, was interviewed for most of the jobs I applied for, and through to second round. Landed a new (better) job pretty quickly.

Im late 50’s

JaceLancs · Today 10:18

Not true in my field - all ages are considered
At shortlisting for interview stage we have no idea of candidates age
Experience is always the key and being a good fit within the team

bobajob1 · Today 10:14

at the BBC they are plenty of people older

Yes but surely @happydaysout the BBC is a special case, meaning that once in, almost no-one leaves, staff turnover is very low/retention is very high. This has been the same all through my working lifetime. The same people who joined in their 20s and 30s are now the people in their 50s and 60s. If the older cohort left now, very few would be able to find a similar job in media, because the landscape has changed so much since they joined.