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MIL has forbidden DS to call for his friend when we visit

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Hellotodays · Yesterday 19:33

The in laws (who live close by and we see regularly) have told DH that our 6 year old should not go to call for his school friend (who lives next door to the in laws) when we go to their house this Sunday. His friend is a girl the same age and her sister plays with them too who is 8. Since they started getting on very well at school they have occasionally called on each other when we have been at the in laws. It's only happened twice in about three months as they are not often home when we are there. The parents are really nice and tell me he should come over whenever we are there. Last time they even let him join them for dinner. My in laws are not so welcoming and though the kids go back and forwards between the two houses the in laws seem a bit annoyed when they are at the in laws house, and this time ahead of our visit they told my DH that he shouldn't go there and we should just have time as a family. The problem is that all the other kids at the family gathering, including our youngest are a lot younger and the in laws don't really play with him, it basically means he gets bored of playing alone of me or DH have to keep him busy. I'm quite annoyed that they have said this to DH. I'm probably not going to counter it, but if it gets to a point tomorrow where he is bored and everyone else is just doing their own thing then I will tell him yes if he asks to go and play. But I'm just wondering how others see it? Thanks!

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sittingonabeach · Today 19:42

LittlePaintBox · Today 18:47

When my son was about 6, he became very close friends with a boy round the corner, and they were always at each other's houses for sleepovers. I'm not sure what the attraction was - except he told me their house was much tidier than ours! - but they got on really well and had great fun together. I think friendships at this age can be very important, and I wouldn't give in to the in-laws when, in practice, they're asking you to stop him seeing his friend.

No they are not, just when DS is at GPs. They go to school together and live in walking distance, they can see each other plenty apart from the 2 days a month DS visits GPs

Owl55 · Today 19:08

Maybe suggest he must spend an hour with grandparents and meal times with them but then allowed to play with friend x

Hellotodays · Today 18:49

user1492757084 · Today 18:43

This indicates that you could take some things with you to help your DS interact with GP and small cousins.
Specific games, puzzles or activities could assist them to engage happily for an hour or two.
Could you instal a swing, sandpit etc.
It is rude for your DS to go next door when his GP and cousins would like him to be with family.

I agree with MIL.

I will definitely be taking more games in future. There is a sandpit in the garden that BIL bought but MIL doesn't like the kids playing in it because they end up getting sand inside 😩 but I was thinking of suggesting a basketball hoop...

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LittlePaintBox · Today 18:47

When my son was about 6, he became very close friends with a boy round the corner, and they were always at each other's houses for sleepovers. I'm not sure what the attraction was - except he told me their house was much tidier than ours! - but they got on really well and had great fun together. I think friendships at this age can be very important, and I wouldn't give in to the in-laws when, in practice, they're asking you to stop him seeing his friend.

user1492757084 · Today 18:43

This indicates that you could take some things with you to help your DS interact with GP and small cousins.
Specific games, puzzles or activities could assist them to engage happily for an hour or two.
Could you instal a swing, sandpit etc.
It is rude for your DS to go next door when his GP and cousins would like him to be with family.

I agree with MIL.

Fasthorses · Today 18:29

JemimaTiggywinkles · Yesterday 20:32

Youre going to visit grandparents and he disappears to his friends? If so that’s really rude. While he’s too young to understand basic manners, you aren’t. I’m not surprised at MN saying it’s fine to be rude to your in laws, but in real life I don’t know anyone who would do this.

This, im really surprised by the initial responses from people saying this is ok, its really rude if you are there to see grandparents if he just disappears off?! Its ok for kids to NOT be optimally entertained occasionally. There are other kids at his grandparents he can play with, its not as tho hes forced to sit there with literally nothing to do.

Whenisitsummer · Today 18:29

Id just reduce the visit down to a couple of hours. It's the easiest solution.
Why are you spending all day every other Sunday with two people who sound a bit miserable anyway.
You could be doing something better with your time.

JJWT · Today 18:21

Vivi0 · Yesterday 20:10

Your in laws are absolute fools - what a way to make your grandchild not want to visit.

What is he supposed to do? Sit and gawp in awe at simply being in his grandparent’s presence? If they are not going to interact with him, and he has exhausted all other avenues of entertaining himself, then he can go and play with the neighbour or you can leave. It’s that simple.

This! They sound like right miseries. I'd say that doesn't work for us, we'll give it a miss then.

Hellotodays · Today 18:09

Traitor8er · Today 18:06

Net mummers? 😳🤣

😂😩 been a long day (week/month...) 🤣

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Traitor8er · Today 18:06

Net mummers? 😳🤣

JuliaAgrippina · Today 17:01

We have long visits because they stop over due to distance - it drags at their house or ours despite everyones best efforts. It's a long period of time for such young kids or even near adults we have now- you may just have to get better at leaving.

I think playing it by ear at length in future and having more weekend with sports will all help.

But yes a few hours playing with neigbour in such a long visist seems fine but clearly isn't want they want. We tend to do walks out to break things up.

boabsmoothie · Today 16:43

After reading your updates, OP, I think the visits are simply too long, particularly with a grandparent so inflexible that they take umbrage at a six-year-old going to play for a couple of hours during a seven-hour visit.

I'd tell them in advance what time you'll be leaving and stick to it. You can make plans for afterwards if you need an excuse, but I wouldn't even bother. I'd simply say, "It's a very long day for the kids, so we'll be heading off at X."

boabsmoothie · Today 16:36

MaggotDonkey · Today 11:07

I've found most people who say things like "it won't kill kids to be bored while visiting the grandparents" are the lazy type who cause the boredom in the first place. I've never heard it from anyone I consider interesting and engaging! There are so many times in a kids life that boredom is inevitable and they can "practise being bored" if you do thinks it's necessary, why would a visit to your loved ones be one of those occasions? It says a lot about those people's relationships.

I think if the neighbour kids are coming into your in-laws house, it's the right thing to do to stop that. But letting him go and play with his friends when there's nothing else to entertain him in the house is absolutely fine.

Your in-laws either need to engage with your child themselves, or let him do something else he enjoys. It's a really horrible character trait if they actually do believe that they have the right to make him sit around bored just for their benefit.

'"it won't kill kids to be bored while visiting the grandparents" are the lazy type who cause the boredom in the first place. I've never heard it from anyone I consider interesting and engaging!'

The fact you’re able to generalise about these people so confidently suggests this is a topic of conversation you have with unusual frequency. I can’t say it comes up often among the people I know, and certainly not among anyone I’d describe as particularly interesting or engaging.

sittingonabeach · Today 16:32

Why would it be awkward to not be allowed in MIL’s garden?

GoodGirlFaith · Today 15:50

sittingonabeach · Today 13:40

They are friends at school, they can be see each other in OP's own time. It's not like they live miles away and only see each other a couple of times a year, they go to school together

Yes, indeed they are. I read the OP in full. But thank you for checking.

Vivi0 · Today 15:37

For context we are there one day every other weekend and the visits are the whole day - about 10.30-5pm or later.

This sounds absolutely hellish!

Who has time to spend an entire day in someone else’s house, every other Sunday?Surely you have other things to be doing OP?

I’d be offering them 10am to 12pm or 12pm - 2pm, maximum. If they want to spend any more time than that with their grandson, they can have him on their own until 5pm. The entitlement to your time is unbelievable!

Pumpkinsaregrowingnicely · Today 15:34

As a dc my dgm's ndn had a dgc called Margaret .
We were great friends.
As an adult with my own dc we walked into a cafe in our home town and there was a grown up Margaret!
Recognised her immediately and hadn't seen jer for at least 20 years!
Your ils sounds really bloody mean..
They reminded me of mine. Mil regularly took toys off baby ds and declared he should be happy just sitting on her knee.
.

Hellotodays · Today 15:27

So it's half past 3, I've just come home and put the one year old to bed for a late nap, he decided not to sleep there and I'd had enough.
DS didn't mention the friend at all, the weather was pretty chilly and grass wet so we stayed inside anyway and I brought a massive load of toys and games. The FIL did randomly ask if he was still friends with the neighbours kid then declared that they weren't there today and had gone to visit their grandparents, DS asked how he knew and he said because their car wasn't there. It was a blatent lie and I thought it was unnecessary, plus DS will probably ask the girl tomorrow.
Anyway, first DS played with the little ones and on his own until lunch and for a bit after lunch. Then I got snap out which amazingly his uncle and grandad had never played so they were playing that for about an hour when I decided to take the one year old home (it's walking distance). I asked DS if he wanted to stay or come with me and he said he wanted to stay so DH is there still with him.
I figure in future I will just play it by ear, whether to shorten the visit or to allow him to call for his friend towards the end if he asks, but then that would be awkward if they are never allowed to the mils garden. I will have to invite them to our house instead, but again I do think it's a shame that they can't be left to have those casual spontaneous meet ups at least once every couple of months. Let's see how it is next time.
One thing is for sure and that's that I'm glad I cut the visit down to a reasonable length for me and the one year old and that I gave DS a choice in it.
Thanks net mummers for the advice.

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Neuronimo · Today 14:20

'If necessary perhaps we just won't stay as long, or let my son go over just to the neighbours garden at the very end, again specifying that they aren't allowed in the grandparents garden, but they can come to our house to play at a time when we arrange.'

That sounds like a really good compromise, a whole day sounds a bit too much for him.

EntirelyUnnecessary · Today 13:43

Hellotodays · Today 09:35

This is where I am. I just see it as a shame. Something that could be nice for everyone. But I can't change who mil is, she just isn't going to be getting out the choc ices for the neighbours kid.
To clear up some other things, the one time he had dinner there was after he had already eaten dinner at mils house, the kids had been playing on the neighbours garden then on mils garden and we told the neighbour it's time for us to eat so our son will come round to you after he has eaten. Then when he did he was there for ages, I rang the other mum as I suspected they would be eating and told her to please send him back as i I didn't want him intruding on their meal and she insisted it wasn't a problem at all and they were all really happy to have him join them. I would never have let him eat there instead of eating mils meal.
The visits are long because the mil wants them to be long. This is the part that frustrates me, it gets to a point where everyone is just sitting around and not really interacting, the little ones have had a nap or are just tired out, my son has played everything he can find to play there, at this point me and DH always start to say it's time for us to go, then the mil will jump up and offer our son a piece of cake or something, ten minutes later she is back to doing her own thing. It's like she wants us there just for the sake of being there. I guess I understand she just likes having us around, but for us is often exhausting, and that's why I think him having a friend next door is perfect for everyone. Anyway I think in future we will just really have to shorten the visits, make them less frequent, or allow son to play just in neighbours garden or briefly on occasion with permission in mils garden. Our son is already starting to have more sports activities at the weekends so the every other week visits will probably naturally become less frequent. Again I guess I just feel it's a shame that something that could be so nice and is so innocent is being restricted. Anyway, we are going now, so let's see how it goes!

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I think this is very sensible OP.

I think people are giving you a hard time about entertaining your DS, but I know I find it much harder to entertain my DS at my PILs than at home or at my parents.

My parents are in their 70s try and make an effort and have a few toys around etc. and are happy for DS to go off and play. They don't play with him all day long and I wouldn't expect them to, but they will listen whilst he talks about Minecraft for a bit.

Whereas my PILs are in their 80s and want DS to sit at the table with them whilst they talk at length about acquaintances/distant family members who me and DS have never met, and DH might know a little. In particular, it's often focussed on which elderly acquaintances have passed away and what health conditions they had. They are lovely people but honestly I struggle with the visits and I can tell DS struggles too.

I can see why it is especially tricky if you have a 1-year-old too and the visits are so long and frequent.

sittingonabeach · Today 13:40

GoodGirlFaith · Today 13:33

I think children should be encouraged to make and maintain friendships and therefore I’m afraid I think your IL’s are being incredibly selfish here.

They are friends at school, they can be see each other in OP's own time. It's not like they live miles away and only see each other a couple of times a year, they go to school together

Newname26 · Today 13:37

Yetone · Today 13:31

My children, their spouses and grandchildren would have no problem in telling me that they are bored. It would be a statement not an argument and we would all need to do something about it. It is just who we are. We say what we think and I prefer it that way. I want my grandchildren to feel relaxed and happy when they are here, not to have to worry about being on their best behaviour. I certainly wouldn’t mind if they invited friends over.

My own family would be an open conversation, this is boring let's get a game out.

DH family, would be a different kettle of fish. Would be best dealt with by reducing visits.

GoodGirlFaith · Today 13:33

I think children should be encouraged to make and maintain friendships and therefore I’m afraid I think your IL’s are being incredibly selfish here.

Yetone · Today 13:31

Newname26 · Today 13:14

I don't know how you actually say "MIL we are finding the visits too long and boring"

I think a better approach is to go down the road of next "Sunday we'll be a bit later taking kids swimming or something first"

This is definitely a Quality over Quantity situation

My children, their spouses and grandchildren would have no problem in telling me that they are bored. It would be a statement not an argument and we would all need to do something about it. It is just who we are. We say what we think and I prefer it that way. I want my grandchildren to feel relaxed and happy when they are here, not to have to worry about being on their best behaviour. I certainly wouldn’t mind if they invited friends over.

Newname26 · Today 13:25

Yetone · Today 13:20

Why do they need to be bored when there is an alternative. It just means that they will associate being bored with going to the grandparents and won’t want tomorrow go.

I don't see the point of kids being bored at Grandparents.
We have one set that fully engage with the kids the others are almost kids should be seen and not heard, let's sit in the room with 4 seats.
So then they wonder why the teens sit on their phones. The day is coming when thsy decide to stay home.