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DP has invited his ex wife for Christmas dinner and says I’m being petty

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IcyPortal · Yesterday 19:29

Me and DP are having a bit of an argument about Christmas and I’m starting to wonder if I’m being unreasonable here.

We’ve been together 3 years and live together. I have a DS13 and DD8 from my previous relationship and he has two DDs, 15 and 10, from his marriage. His girls are with us alternate weekends and some of the school holidays. They are coming to us Christmas Eve and staying until Boxing Day this year.

We’d agreed we would have everyone here for Christmas dinner. His brother and my sister were invited as well, so its already going to be quite a full house. I don’t mind that, I like having people round for Christmas and the kids all get on well enough. I am the one who does most of the organising though, sorting food, presents, making sure everyone has got what they need etc. DP will help if I ask him but he isn’t the sort to think ahead about things.

Anyway a few days ago he mentioned that his ex wife would be coming for Christmas dinner as well. I actually thought he was joking at first and said what do you mean coming for dinner? Apparently he’d invited her because she would otherwise be on her own.

For context she has recently split up with her boyfriend and doesn’t have much family nearby. I do feel sorry for her in that respect and I’m not saying she should have to sit on her own all day if there is another option. But DP had already invited her before even mentioning it to me. I had no idea he was planning this and we hadn’t discussed it at all.

He said he thought it was the right thing to do and the girls would be happy having both their parents there. Which they are, his eldest especially was really pleased when she found out. I haven’t said anything to them about it and wouldn’t want to spoil their Christmas or make them feel like they have to choose between us.

But I don’t really understand why he couldn’t have asked me first? It’s my home as well and I’m going to be doing most of the work on the day. I finish work late on Christmas Eve so there is already going to be a lot to get sorted in a short space of time. I know having one extra person isn’t the end of the world but it isn’t really about the food or having enough chairs. I just feel like he’s made a decision that affects all of us and told me afterwards as though it’s already settled.

When I said I wasn’t comfortable with it he got quite annoyed and said I was being petty and making something nice into an issue. He said it was for the children. I said that I wasn’t stopping his girls seeing their mum. They could see her earlier in the day or he could take them to see her, or she could come over for a bit. I just hadn’t agreed to having her here for the whole dinner.

He then said it would be awkward if she only came for an hour and that the girls wanted her there. I do get that. They are old enough to understand their parents aren’t together but obviously it would be nice for them to have a Christmas where everyone can be in the same room and get along. I am not trying to make things difficult for them.

I don’t think she has done anything wrong either. We are civil when we see each other but we aren’t friends and we don’t socialise together. She’s never been rude to me and I have no reason to think anything is going on between them. They were married for a long time and have children together so obviously they will always have a connection. I’m not asking him to cut her out of their lives.

It is just that he does sometimes agree to things with her or the girls and then tell me afterwards. Usually it’s small things and I let it go, but this feels different because Christmas dinner is happening in our house and I’m the one who will be getting everything ready. I feel like if I had invited my ex to spend the day with us without discussing it with him, DP would have something to say about that.

My sister thinks he should have asked me first but says now that the girls are excited I should probably just let it happen. My friend says she wouldn’t have her partner’s ex wife sitting at her Christmas table at all, but I think that’s a bit harsh when she’s recently split up and would be alone otherwise.

I haven’t told DP she can’t come. I just said I wasn’t happy that he had invited her without even asking me, and now he’s acting like I’ve got a problem with his ex when that’s not what I said.

AIBU to think he should have spoken to me before inviting her, or am I making too much of it and should just get on with Christmas?

OP posts:
Beenwhereyouareagain · Today 03:23

Endoadnowarrior · Today 02:51

If i was married (Im not and neither is OP) and there was no animosity between them, nor between her and me, and I was secure in our relationship then yes id have no problem with it. In fact I'd probably have suggested it myself and be relieved he'd thought to ask cause id probably have forgotten to ask him!

However if there is underlying jealousy or bitterness, then no I wouldn't be happy, but OP said that's not the case. Everyone saying he is out of order seems to be assuming this means he's asked because he cares more about exW than OP, but i dont see it like that, I see it as he's prioritising his kids. And I was brought up with the idea that Christmas is all about kids. I still believe that now!

Edited

So basically what you're implying is that because @IcyPortal is bothered by this then she must be jealous, bitter, and insecure.

To ask his ex isn't the problem; it's treating his partner as though she has no say in any of it. Not to mention, telling his children first was such a manipulative thing to do.

Gealach · Today 03:15

I’d go for it now that the kids have been told. Go for it with an open heart. But he absolutely must muck in to make all the dinner; presents ext… happen.

He should have discussed it with you first.

Beenwhereyouareagain · Today 03:13

Bigballslittleball · Yesterday 21:05

I actually invited DH ex when she was going to be on her own and I didn't regret it. She had the decency just to come for some of the day but it felt like the right thing to do

Yes, but it's just not the same. You invited the ex, you knew she was coming and it was a nice thing for you to do but also your decision. @IcyPortal has a completely different situation. It's Christmas dinner in their shared home- she has to do all the work and all the cooking and now her partner has the audacity to inform her that his ex-wife will be coming and that OP is "being petty" for feeling upset! He didn't have enough respect to even ask before he did it, and I believe she said he told his children before he'd told @IcyPortal .

It's very possible he planned this knowing that once his kids knew their mother was coming it would be very hard for her to disagree or alter HIS plans. He manipulated the entire thing, but reflecting the blame onto his partner was even worse.

Even if he truly thought she wouldn't approve the invitation there's still no excuse for the way he's minimized her! It's awful when one half of a couple takes all the power and then to not even own that he took her agency away; that's truly disturbing.

Can you see how this is very different from your situation? He didn't give @IcyPortal the chance to be generous and invite the ex; instead he gets to look like the good guy to everyone and if she dare shows that she's unhappy he then gets to make her the "jealous, selfish" person.

Endoadnowarrior · Today 03:10

nomas · Today 02:58

Do you see all the ifs in your post?

It’s easy for you to say you would be fine with it because you’re not in this situation, OP is.

You are yet another person suggesting that OP’s feelings don’t matter, only the children and ex wife’s do.

Read OPs OP!

The IFs are what she has said - There is no bad blood! And she doesnt want to see ex alone as there is another option.

It's not about the fact the ex is coming per se that OP is upset, it's the fact that she didn't agree to it first, and because underneath it all it seems that she's pissed at him because she is doing the donkey work. I think that is making the issue bigger tbh or there are other dynamics at play that OP hasnt shared.

I did say in my initial reply, that yes he should have mentioned it to her beforehand, but also think its being blown out of proportion.

Pinkissmart · Today 03:07

PerhapsPerhapsMaybe · Yesterday 19:38

You’re not married and he still thinks of his ex as family. Sorry OP but this man is not committed to you

No, that’s silly

Caiti19 · Today 03:03

He's totally out of order. That needed to be a discussion between you both first. Did he consider your children's experience of the day or only that of his own two?

nomas · Today 02:58

Endoadnowarrior · Today 02:51

If i was married (Im not and neither is OP) and there was no animosity between them, nor between her and me, and I was secure in our relationship then yes id have no problem with it. In fact I'd probably have suggested it myself and be relieved he'd thought to ask cause id probably have forgotten to ask him!

However if there is underlying jealousy or bitterness, then no I wouldn't be happy, but OP said that's not the case. Everyone saying he is out of order seems to be assuming this means he's asked because he cares more about exW than OP, but i dont see it like that, I see it as he's prioritising his kids. And I was brought up with the idea that Christmas is all about kids. I still believe that now!

Edited

Do you see all the ifs in your post?

It’s easy for you to say you would be fine with it because you’re not in this situation, OP is.

You are yet another person suggesting that OP’s feelings don’t matter, only the children and ex wife’s do.

Brokentoes85 · Today 02:56

Outrageous. He said he's doing it for his girls, but I thought he was doing it because she was going to be on her own, so doing it for her?

Her happiness trumps yours I guess.

Endoadnowarrior · Today 02:51

nomas · Today 02:39

So you would be fine with your husband inviting his ex wife to Christmas Day dinner without asking you?

Seriously?

If i was married (Im not and neither is OP) and there was no animosity between them, nor between her and me, and I was secure in our relationship then yes id have no problem with it. In fact I'd probably have suggested it myself and be relieved he'd thought to ask cause id probably have forgotten to ask him!

However if there is underlying jealousy or bitterness, then no I wouldn't be happy, but OP said that's not the case. Everyone saying he is out of order seems to be assuming this means he's asked because he cares more about exW than OP, but i dont see it like that, I see it as he's prioritising his kids. And I was brought up with the idea that Christmas is all about kids. I still believe that now!

EveningSpread · Today 02:45

He didn’t ask you because he knows it’s unreasonable.

You have to be very careful how you handle manipulative men like this who don’t have your back.

I would say ok, this time. But he is responsible for 50% of hosting and present buying - give him a list - and explain to him that if he ever invites his ex wife for dinner again, he needs to discuss it with you first.

I’d make it clear you know he’s done it without consulting you because he knows it’s a big ask, so you’re going to give him a pass this time for his DDs. But if he ever does anything like this again, he will be acting in a way that makes you doubt his commitment to and respect for you: and lots of those things are relationship ending.

nomas · Today 02:39

Endoadnowarrior · Today 02:28

Mentioned that he thought it would be nice to ask his Ex, yes.
Asked OP's permission to invite a guest to Christmas in their shared home, no.

The fact OP is doing all of the organising and the work is a separate issue and honestly it sounded like OP was ok with doing this IMHO, until the ex was invited.
If that's the issue, that he needs to help more, then address that!

OP doesnt "own" Christmas, even if she is doing all the work! Her DP including their children's other parent is incredibly kind and thoughtful.

It sounds like there is underlying resentment here OP & person who challenged me? - is that your ex would never be so kind to you? Was it that him not asking your permission feels like he didnt even think that you might be upset, because to him there is no bad feelings and to him he may think its obvious that he loves you, and lives with you? Are you worried she'll be judging you somehow?
I think there are probably some underlying worries here tbh.

So you would be fine with your husband inviting his ex wife to Christmas Day dinner without asking you?

Seriously?

Mumtotornadoes · Today 02:30

I'd send him and the kids to hers. Or invite your ex round. I think it'd be shit for your kids otherwise. Watching your boyfriends kids have Christmas with both their parents, in their house, hosted by their mother. I can't imagine it's going to be a great Christmas for them. They'll be guests at your boyfriends family Christmas and only really have their auntie as you'll be hosting.

Yeah either it's a big family Christmas and your kids get both parents there too. Or it's a split Christmas and he spends it with his ex and kids and you spend it with your kids and sister.

You're thinking about how it'll make you feel but don't seem to have really thought about how your kids will feel.

Endoadnowarrior · Today 02:28

nomas · Today 02:02

So you don’t even think he needs to have asked OP, just mentioned it? Even though OP is doing the organising and the work?

Mentioned that he thought it would be nice to ask his Ex, yes.
Asked OP's permission to invite a guest to Christmas in their shared home, no.

The fact OP is doing all of the organising and the work is a separate issue and honestly it sounded like OP was ok with doing this IMHO, until the ex was invited.
If that's the issue, that he needs to help more, then address that!

OP doesnt "own" Christmas, even if she is doing all the work! Her DP including their children's other parent is incredibly kind and thoughtful.

It sounds like there is underlying resentment here OP & person who challenged me? - is that your ex would never be so kind to you? Was it that him not asking your permission feels like he didnt even think that you might be upset, because to him there is no bad feelings and to him he may think its obvious that he loves you, and lives with you? Are you worried she'll be judging you somehow?
I think there are probably some underlying worries here tbh.

movingtotheslowlane · Today 02:22

@IcyPortal ofcourse he should have asked you first.

However, I was once in his DCs position and there is nothing worse than knowing your DM will be on their own, especially at Christmas. They will not fully enjoy themselves or may even feel guilty for enjoying themselves.

You’ll be doing something great for his DC.

Mcmach1 · Today 02:06

IcyPortal · Yesterday 19:29

Me and DP are having a bit of an argument about Christmas and I’m starting to wonder if I’m being unreasonable here.

We’ve been together 3 years and live together. I have a DS13 and DD8 from my previous relationship and he has two DDs, 15 and 10, from his marriage. His girls are with us alternate weekends and some of the school holidays. They are coming to us Christmas Eve and staying until Boxing Day this year.

We’d agreed we would have everyone here for Christmas dinner. His brother and my sister were invited as well, so its already going to be quite a full house. I don’t mind that, I like having people round for Christmas and the kids all get on well enough. I am the one who does most of the organising though, sorting food, presents, making sure everyone has got what they need etc. DP will help if I ask him but he isn’t the sort to think ahead about things.

Anyway a few days ago he mentioned that his ex wife would be coming for Christmas dinner as well. I actually thought he was joking at first and said what do you mean coming for dinner? Apparently he’d invited her because she would otherwise be on her own.

For context she has recently split up with her boyfriend and doesn’t have much family nearby. I do feel sorry for her in that respect and I’m not saying she should have to sit on her own all day if there is another option. But DP had already invited her before even mentioning it to me. I had no idea he was planning this and we hadn’t discussed it at all.

He said he thought it was the right thing to do and the girls would be happy having both their parents there. Which they are, his eldest especially was really pleased when she found out. I haven’t said anything to them about it and wouldn’t want to spoil their Christmas or make them feel like they have to choose between us.

But I don’t really understand why he couldn’t have asked me first? It’s my home as well and I’m going to be doing most of the work on the day. I finish work late on Christmas Eve so there is already going to be a lot to get sorted in a short space of time. I know having one extra person isn’t the end of the world but it isn’t really about the food or having enough chairs. I just feel like he’s made a decision that affects all of us and told me afterwards as though it’s already settled.

When I said I wasn’t comfortable with it he got quite annoyed and said I was being petty and making something nice into an issue. He said it was for the children. I said that I wasn’t stopping his girls seeing their mum. They could see her earlier in the day or he could take them to see her, or she could come over for a bit. I just hadn’t agreed to having her here for the whole dinner.

He then said it would be awkward if she only came for an hour and that the girls wanted her there. I do get that. They are old enough to understand their parents aren’t together but obviously it would be nice for them to have a Christmas where everyone can be in the same room and get along. I am not trying to make things difficult for them.

I don’t think she has done anything wrong either. We are civil when we see each other but we aren’t friends and we don’t socialise together. She’s never been rude to me and I have no reason to think anything is going on between them. They were married for a long time and have children together so obviously they will always have a connection. I’m not asking him to cut her out of their lives.

It is just that he does sometimes agree to things with her or the girls and then tell me afterwards. Usually it’s small things and I let it go, but this feels different because Christmas dinner is happening in our house and I’m the one who will be getting everything ready. I feel like if I had invited my ex to spend the day with us without discussing it with him, DP would have something to say about that.

My sister thinks he should have asked me first but says now that the girls are excited I should probably just let it happen. My friend says she wouldn’t have her partner’s ex wife sitting at her Christmas table at all, but I think that’s a bit harsh when she’s recently split up and would be alone otherwise.

I haven’t told DP she can’t come. I just said I wasn’t happy that he had invited her without even asking me, and now he’s acting like I’ve got a problem with his ex when that’s not what I said.

AIBU to think he should have spoken to me before inviting her, or am I making too much of it and should just get on with Christmas?

Invite your ex too. Or rent an actor. Please do this. I will pay.

nomas · Today 02:02

Endoadnowarrior · Yesterday 23:10

I consider my exH my family and we regularly do things together with both sides of our shared children's family and my BF.
If parents can be in the same space for special occasions they absolutely should do for their kids.
I do think however he should have mentioned it to you before making the arrangements, but equally I wouldn't make a big deal of it.
If there is no bad blood between them and you and her, and he knows this, maybe he wasnt expecting you to have any issue with it as a concept?

So you don’t even think he needs to have asked OP, just mentioned it? Even though OP is doing the organising and the work?

nomas · Today 02:00

CrazyMidget · Yesterday 23:50

When I read advice like this, I understand why there are so many divorces.

Interesting how a woman inviting her ex husband is divorce-worthy but a man inviting his ex wife isn’t.

nomas · Today 01:59

Endorewitch · Today 00:14

Oh dear!Someone has read such a lot into the situation. I wonder if OP agrees with your description of her husband.
If he always behaves kike this,you have a point. But she doesn't suggest he does. And he is thinking of his girls,which OP accepts. Of course he should have talked to her but he likely didn't think. She has the right to feel angry,but I don't think she expected to be told to tbink about leaving him!

This is such a cop out. Of course men know the impact of inviting their ex wife to Christmas.

He just didn’t give a shit about OP’s feelings.

nomas · Today 01:57

WhatsItAllForAnyway · Today 01:13

OP, one year I was heavily pregnant, planning a home birth, had other preschoolers, and my DH came home and announced he had invited guests to stay in the little alcove off our living room for two weeks. Not even family. He was 'just trying to be helpful' he told me. I told him it wasn't helpful to me at all.

I made arrangements to go stay with my parents with the children, birth there if necessary. He would have to do all the cooking, washing, shopping and entertaining involved in having guests. All of a sudden it didn't look so attractive.

"But I've already invited them and they've accepted!" He exclaimed. I told him he'd just have to uninvite them then.

The moral of this story - when the reality of their not thinking hits them, they learn. He's never done anything like that again.

Your DH needs to carry his full load in preparing for Christmas and organising everything. He needs to have to put his money where his mouth is. And you need to invite your ex.

Excellent approach. Did he disinvite them?

nomas · Today 01:56

Seasonofthesticks · Today 01:24

As a child from a broken marriage, I loved when my mum invited my dad over on Christmas Day. Usually when his (then current) girlfriend had sacked him off. Try to take your feelings out of it!

Telling a woman to put herself last? How original.

Seasonofthesticks · Today 01:24

As a child from a broken marriage, I loved when my mum invited my dad over on Christmas Day. Usually when his (then current) girlfriend had sacked him off. Try to take your feelings out of it!

Joliefolie · Today 01:18

@CrazyMidget So in your rant against MN misandry you go to the opposite extreme and tell the OP how kind-hearted her husband is, although "yes of course he should have discussed it with you".

So he should have discussed it with the OP, everyone's agreed, but then this kind-hearted man...
"When I said I wasn’t comfortable with it he got quite annoyed and said I was being petty and making something nice into an issue."

No, the OP does not need to LTB over this, but she also doesn't need to be gaslit into thinking she's being petty in the face of her husband's "kind-hearted", as you describe it, behaviour. He was disrespectful of his wife and doubled down on it when she objected. It's not a LTB situation, of course not, but it is a LTB to step up and sort out Christmas... and also to apologise to his wife for being inconsiderate rather than presenting himself as lovely, nice considerate ex and having a pop at his wife for being "petty". If she lets it just slide, why would it ever stop?

WhatsItAllForAnyway · Today 01:13

OP, one year I was heavily pregnant, planning a home birth, had other preschoolers, and my DH came home and announced he had invited guests to stay in the little alcove off our living room for two weeks. Not even family. He was 'just trying to be helpful' he told me. I told him it wasn't helpful to me at all.

I made arrangements to go stay with my parents with the children, birth there if necessary. He would have to do all the cooking, washing, shopping and entertaining involved in having guests. All of a sudden it didn't look so attractive.

"But I've already invited them and they've accepted!" He exclaimed. I told him he'd just have to uninvite them then.

The moral of this story - when the reality of their not thinking hits them, they learn. He's never done anything like that again.

Your DH needs to carry his full load in preparing for Christmas and organising everything. He needs to have to put his money where his mouth is. And you need to invite your ex.

BoredZelda · Today 01:11

WearyAuldWumman · Yesterday 23:36

No. She's refusing to be taken for granted.

She can be annoyed he didn’t ask, she can have discussions with him about checking with her first in future, she can have a general discussion about him pulling his weight with the Christmas load. But, if she is saying no, suggesting the woman comes for an hour then goes home to an empty house rather than sitting at their dinner table, when she herself has said it will make little difference to her workload and she would have said yes if he asked, then she is being petty.

Treehorns · Today 01:05

You clearly are the skivvy and as you do it all he expects you to accommodate anyone he asks.

He hasn't the very basic respect of you, to check with you.

Did you move in very quickly with him?
If so, it's a mistake.

He cares more about her than you and assumes you skivving for one more person at Christmas, is no more than you can expect.

You must be quite mad to accept so liitle.
I would be be completely dropping the rope and tell him he can sort out Christmas this year.

3 years and you are the skivvy, madness.
You deserve better.