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DP has invited his ex wife for Christmas dinner and says I’m being petty

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IcyPortal · Yesterday 19:29

Me and DP are having a bit of an argument about Christmas and I’m starting to wonder if I’m being unreasonable here.

We’ve been together 3 years and live together. I have a DS13 and DD8 from my previous relationship and he has two DDs, 15 and 10, from his marriage. His girls are with us alternate weekends and some of the school holidays. They are coming to us Christmas Eve and staying until Boxing Day this year.

We’d agreed we would have everyone here for Christmas dinner. His brother and my sister were invited as well, so its already going to be quite a full house. I don’t mind that, I like having people round for Christmas and the kids all get on well enough. I am the one who does most of the organising though, sorting food, presents, making sure everyone has got what they need etc. DP will help if I ask him but he isn’t the sort to think ahead about things.

Anyway a few days ago he mentioned that his ex wife would be coming for Christmas dinner as well. I actually thought he was joking at first and said what do you mean coming for dinner? Apparently he’d invited her because she would otherwise be on her own.

For context she has recently split up with her boyfriend and doesn’t have much family nearby. I do feel sorry for her in that respect and I’m not saying she should have to sit on her own all day if there is another option. But DP had already invited her before even mentioning it to me. I had no idea he was planning this and we hadn’t discussed it at all.

He said he thought it was the right thing to do and the girls would be happy having both their parents there. Which they are, his eldest especially was really pleased when she found out. I haven’t said anything to them about it and wouldn’t want to spoil their Christmas or make them feel like they have to choose between us.

But I don’t really understand why he couldn’t have asked me first? It’s my home as well and I’m going to be doing most of the work on the day. I finish work late on Christmas Eve so there is already going to be a lot to get sorted in a short space of time. I know having one extra person isn’t the end of the world but it isn’t really about the food or having enough chairs. I just feel like he’s made a decision that affects all of us and told me afterwards as though it’s already settled.

When I said I wasn’t comfortable with it he got quite annoyed and said I was being petty and making something nice into an issue. He said it was for the children. I said that I wasn’t stopping his girls seeing their mum. They could see her earlier in the day or he could take them to see her, or she could come over for a bit. I just hadn’t agreed to having her here for the whole dinner.

He then said it would be awkward if she only came for an hour and that the girls wanted her there. I do get that. They are old enough to understand their parents aren’t together but obviously it would be nice for them to have a Christmas where everyone can be in the same room and get along. I am not trying to make things difficult for them.

I don’t think she has done anything wrong either. We are civil when we see each other but we aren’t friends and we don’t socialise together. She’s never been rude to me and I have no reason to think anything is going on between them. They were married for a long time and have children together so obviously they will always have a connection. I’m not asking him to cut her out of their lives.

It is just that he does sometimes agree to things with her or the girls and then tell me afterwards. Usually it’s small things and I let it go, but this feels different because Christmas dinner is happening in our house and I’m the one who will be getting everything ready. I feel like if I had invited my ex to spend the day with us without discussing it with him, DP would have something to say about that.

My sister thinks he should have asked me first but says now that the girls are excited I should probably just let it happen. My friend says she wouldn’t have her partner’s ex wife sitting at her Christmas table at all, but I think that’s a bit harsh when she’s recently split up and would be alone otherwise.

I haven’t told DP she can’t come. I just said I wasn’t happy that he had invited her without even asking me, and now he’s acting like I’ve got a problem with his ex when that’s not what I said.

AIBU to think he should have spoken to me before inviting her, or am I making too much of it and should just get on with Christmas?

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Mackerelfillets · Today 20:09

I wouldnt want anyone alone at xmas but he absolutely should have asked you first. It was really cheeky of him, who the hell does he think he is???

Beryl92 · Today 20:07

PrettyPickle · Today 18:17

@IcyPortal I think there are actually two separate issues here:
Should the ex-wife be invited? Should he have consulted his partner before inviting her?

On the first point, I think his decision is understandable and potentially quite kind. His daughters are 15 and 10, their mum has recently split up with someone, she'd otherwise be alone, and the girls are clearly delighted at the prospect of both parents being together for part of Christmas Day. If everyone is civil and there isn't a history of drama and it appears you weren't the reason for their divorce, it could be a really positive memory for the children and set a good precedent for future graduations, weddings, grandchildren and other family events.

On the second point, I think you have a legitimate complaint. Christmas dinner in a shared home isn't like inviting someone for a quick coffee. It's a significant event, and you are the person doing most of the planning, cooking and hosting. No matter who the invitation was issued too, he should have asked if they were benefitting from your hard work and hostess skills. The fact that you weren't asked first would irritate many people, even those who would ultimately have agreed as I think you may well have done although I feel you probably would have to be encourage as the idea is a bot daunting.

What strikes me is that your objection doesn't actually seem to be "I don't want the ex there." You repeatedly say: you feel sorry for her, you doesn't think anything is going on, you understand the girls' feelings, you haven't forbidden it. Your real complaint is: "Why did you decide this without me?" That's quite different.

The bit that would concern me more than the invitation itself is this sentence:
"He does sometimes agree to things with her or the girls and then tell me afterwards."

That suggests a pattern. If every decision involving his ex-wife or children gets made first and discussed with his current partner afterwards, then the Christmas dinner argument is really about feeling like a passenger in your own household.

I think you should probably let the invitation stand because the children are excited and the ex-wife sounds harmless. However, after Christmas I'd be having a calm conversation about decisions being made jointly in future.
In other words: The ex-wife coming to dinner = probably a good thing.
Inviting her without asking = not so good.

I suspect many Mumsnetters will focus on the ex being there at all, but to me the bigger issue is the lack of consultation rather than the guest herself.

I feel that your partner shoud have asked, acknowledged the strange ask and the extra work and that you would have probably said yes, aware it may initially seem a bit strange. By not giving you the opportunity to say yes, because he was afraid you would say no, he has turned what could have been a very nice joint gesture for her to join you at Christmas into a slightly disconcerting experience.

For me, if he didn't ask you as he felt you would say no, then he was willing to risk your discomfort for her inclusion. That would be the problem for me, he didn't give you a chance to agree beforehand and her loneliness trumped your discomfort.

And I agree with earlier posters that now the invitation has been issued and the kids know, its not an invitation that could be revoked without major upsets. But I suspect you do not want to revoke it, you want to know what was behind your partners decision to invite her without trusting you enough to discuss it with you beforehand.

This sounds a lot like chatGPT wrote it, but it's also quite sensible. I was pretty livid when my husband invited his own dad to xmas lunch without consulting me first, and of course he was welcome, I'd just have appreciated it being a joint decision.

Tangit · Today 20:01

IcyPortal · Today 10:29

If I’m honest I do most of the day to day stuff. I do the laundry, cooking and most of the cleaning, sorting the kids things out and all that. He does more of the outside bits and will do jobs that need doing around the house, bins, garden etc. He will help if I ask but I tend to be the one who notices what needs doing in the first place if that makes sense.

I know you said you don't want to invite your ex (fair enough) but you could play along with this a little. Don't actually invite him but tell your DP you have to give him a taste of his own medicine. You can tell him later it was just a wind up. If he wants petty, he'll get it!

CharlotteByrde · Today 19:58

Please just go along with this with a smile on your face. It will mean so much to your step children for so many years. Sweet, but what about OP's own kids? Think how weird Christmas Day is going to be for them, sitting with someone else's happy family while their mum slaves in the kitchen?

LadyHexham · Today 19:58

If the ex-wife is in any way reasonable she could say she would love to come for a coffee / drink before lunch but not stay

Then if things go well she might stay longer.

Let's assume she also has feelings.

But you shouldn't be expected to wait on everyone.

(Like my mum did)

Millytante · Today 19:58

Isn’t it pretty much guaranteed that recreating the original family unit around his two daughters is going to separate them off from OP and her DC on Christmas Day?
I could imagine him proposing a ‘family’ drive in the afternoon, leaving OP + her sprogs at home amid the table wreckage.

I think it’s the logistics/human nature bit that is dangerously overlooked here. Since it’d be the ex’s first substantial time in OP’s home, there will be no structure in place, no relaxed moving among the merry throng, because she’ll be very much the unusual guest (possibly another reason why he might wish to split with them all and leave OP at home!)
Anyway, since there’s no easy chummy relationships in place yet, the Yuletide happy families atmosphere will only be sparkling around this bloke, his ex wife, and their girls. I can’t see the other kids getting a look-in at all. Could be upsetting.
And OP is designedly sidelined as head cook and bottle washer, leaving the field free for an enclosed family unit to arise in her house, excluding her and her children.

I would make every effort to turn him around and arrange Christmas Day at hers, with the girls.
Wash your hands of it because I think he will wreck any chance of his ex actually blending in, and will just revert to being her husband for the day.
It would mean OP’s Christmas Day is a bitter one, and yet still she’ll be castigated by that oaf if any distress is noticed.

Dutch1e · Today 19:57

Kerry242 · Today 19:51

You contradicted yourself in your OP.

You said you told him it made you uncomfortable.

You ended with - I only said I would have liked to have been asked but now he thinks I have a problen with his ex.

Which is it?

I don't see the contradiction. Partner drops bombshell and OP says it makes her uncomfortable. After time to reflect she has a better understanding of exactly which part makes her uncomfortable.

LizandDerekGoals · Today 19:57

IcyPortal · Today 10:29

If I’m honest I do most of the day to day stuff. I do the laundry, cooking and most of the cleaning, sorting the kids things out and all that. He does more of the outside bits and will do jobs that need doing around the house, bins, garden etc. He will help if I ask but I tend to be the one who notices what needs doing in the first place if that makes sense.

this is the issue. And this: I’m going to be doing most of the work on the day. why would you choose a man, at this stage if your life, who isnt independent? He creates work.

i would seriously think about what needs to be done and give him more than half to do. He also is told he is preparing the dinner with you on christmas day. He will of course need to shop for it.

Kerry242 · Today 19:51

You contradicted yourself in your OP.

You said you told him it made you uncomfortable.

You ended with - I only said I would have liked to have been asked but now he thinks I have a problen with his ex.

Which is it?

hoxtonbabe · Today 19:45

Rhubarb24 · Today 18:36

Not read past this, but it's not tit for tat ;)

It's because it will be as great for your children as it will be for his having both parents there.

You saw how happy his children are, your children should be happy too. That's fair, is it not?

He thought that there was nothing wrong with what he did. So did you. You only did the same as he did.

And if he moans, then he's just being petty. And a hypocrite!

Exactly.

This is why he has form of doing this, by OPs admission he’s done similar things before and just dismisses her. Well those who don’t hear will feel and I too will invite my EX and see how you like it, even if it is tit for tat. The cheek of him
calling her petty. That alone would make me tell him to screw himself and sort dinner on his own.

something has got to give
otherwise you’re just letting him walk all over you. I could never allow that sort of disrespectful mick take to slide, but then again I would never saddle myself with such a man in the first place.

undergroundandoverground · Today 19:44

So HIS kids get both parents for xmas day.
Your kids get to see this. But despite you also being on good terms with your ex, you won't consider inviting him too and making it fair for YOUR own children so as not to upset him. Have I read that right?!

Do your kids know about the new invitee??

Also: Does his ex have no shame? There is no way I'd accept this invite in her shoes. (Though TBH if my ex had my kids so little he'd not be getting to enjoy xmas day and me being sat on my own anyway).

My ex sees the kids regularly, I have had him in my house for part of xmas day before but it was my choice, it was because kids were so tiny, and I'm single so no new partner or blended family dynamics to consider. Plus we only did it the first year. We now have a different xmas arrangement.

This isn't just about xmas day though is it OP. He's not coming off great tbh in general. You're like his skivvy. He's not thought of your feelings, your kids feelings, thought to ask, doesn't pull his weight in the house or with the kids, the physical or mental load. I'd be doing some wider thinking in your shoes.

QueenStevie · Today 19:29

Absolutely she should invite her ex but not to be petty.

I am mid 40s. My parents divorced when I was three. For the past few years since before COVID, my dad has joined us for Christmas, even when my mum hosts at her house and even when my mum was still married to my step dad. It has been a very wonderful experience for me and for my DD to see everyone united.

TotaleclipseinFrance · Today 19:25

Dutch1e · Today 18:39

Completely agree.

And he's already tested the waters with "minor issues" prior to this.

I'm five years he'll have taken over OPs bank accounts, dress sense, job choices and friendships.

Anyone who has had the good fortune to not have ever been involved with dickheads like this will think I'm being dramatic. And I'm delighted for them. The rest of us can see it coming as inevitably as day follows night.

Totally agree.
I'm getting frustrated at all the 'it's fine with us' comments here.
And the well meaning but futile suggestions about getting him to help with the chores. Like hell he will.

That requires consideration which he does not possess.

We've had the cool wives, now it's the cool exes. Lol.

Being civil does not mean you have to have Christmas Day with them ffs.

I hope the OP sees sense and gets rid of him.

He's a selfish, lazy round the house git who probably relishes the two main women in his lives serving him.

I think that's closer to the truth than him being kind.

This would most definitely be a deal breaker for me.

Deep down this could be his way of assessing if he still cares for his ex.

Imagine sweating in a hot kitchen listening to your dp and his ex-wife giggling over the sherry. It's just not on.

PrettyPickle · Today 19:24

Lollylucyclark101 · Today 18:53

I think you’re being really petty.

He’s obviously not thought to tell you because ITS NOT A BIG DEAL to him and he was just tying to be nice?!

you have said yourself that there’s no issues between you and she’s always been nice and respectful…… so why would you mind?

i, personally wouldn’t have said anything…. Especially if it makes the children happy and just said afterwards “can you mention it if you invite another person to Christmas so I can make sure there’s enough food/wine/cake.

My husband HAS done this before and it’s not a massive deal. We are a FAMILY….. through our children! So what’s the issue?

Sorry I disagree, he should have asked, its her home too.

Soulhorse · Today 19:22

QueenStevie · Today 19:17

Please just go along with this with a smile on your face. It will mean so much to your step children for so many years and it will be such a positive things for them to see all the adults in their life getting along well with each other. It's not ideal he didn't ask you, as it wouldn't be if he had asked any other person to join you, and you should let him know that, in future, he should run things like this by you first, but now he has and the kids know about it, please make it a happy occasion.

That’s why OP should invite her ex. Happy children all round, what fun!

QueenStevie · Today 19:17

Please just go along with this with a smile on your face. It will mean so much to your step children for so many years and it will be such a positive things for them to see all the adults in their life getting along well with each other. It's not ideal he didn't ask you, as it wouldn't be if he had asked any other person to join you, and you should let him know that, in future, he should run things like this by you first, but now he has and the kids know about it, please make it a happy occasion.

Dustyfair · Today 19:06

He’s overstepped the mark and should’ve talked it through with you first. It’s quite a leap of meeting your dp’s ex a few times to having them in your house at Christmas. Some people would be extremely uncomfortable with it.

Your DP needs to share the work with preparations for Christmas Day and not leave it all to you. If you’re working late the day before it’s not fair on you to deal with it all.

independentfriend · Today 19:04

He should have asked.

It's October so you have time to plan so there's less work for you.

His brother, sister and ex can all be asked to bring something for Christmas dinner (dessert, a soup for a starter, Christmas cake, side dishes ready to go in the oven).

The kids are old enough to contribute to Christmas magic while still receiving some of it - they can peel vegetables and do a lot of the food prep on Christmas eve.

The person who has to work on Christmas eve shouldn't be solely responsible for Christmas day dinner for lots of people.

Another option is postponing Christmas day dinner to Boxing Day or another day when its not immediately after you being at work late and having a curry or some other obviously not Christmas meal on Christmas day.

Lollylucyclark101 · Today 18:53

IcyPortal · Yesterday 19:29

Me and DP are having a bit of an argument about Christmas and I’m starting to wonder if I’m being unreasonable here.

We’ve been together 3 years and live together. I have a DS13 and DD8 from my previous relationship and he has two DDs, 15 and 10, from his marriage. His girls are with us alternate weekends and some of the school holidays. They are coming to us Christmas Eve and staying until Boxing Day this year.

We’d agreed we would have everyone here for Christmas dinner. His brother and my sister were invited as well, so its already going to be quite a full house. I don’t mind that, I like having people round for Christmas and the kids all get on well enough. I am the one who does most of the organising though, sorting food, presents, making sure everyone has got what they need etc. DP will help if I ask him but he isn’t the sort to think ahead about things.

Anyway a few days ago he mentioned that his ex wife would be coming for Christmas dinner as well. I actually thought he was joking at first and said what do you mean coming for dinner? Apparently he’d invited her because she would otherwise be on her own.

For context she has recently split up with her boyfriend and doesn’t have much family nearby. I do feel sorry for her in that respect and I’m not saying she should have to sit on her own all day if there is another option. But DP had already invited her before even mentioning it to me. I had no idea he was planning this and we hadn’t discussed it at all.

He said he thought it was the right thing to do and the girls would be happy having both their parents there. Which they are, his eldest especially was really pleased when she found out. I haven’t said anything to them about it and wouldn’t want to spoil their Christmas or make them feel like they have to choose between us.

But I don’t really understand why he couldn’t have asked me first? It’s my home as well and I’m going to be doing most of the work on the day. I finish work late on Christmas Eve so there is already going to be a lot to get sorted in a short space of time. I know having one extra person isn’t the end of the world but it isn’t really about the food or having enough chairs. I just feel like he’s made a decision that affects all of us and told me afterwards as though it’s already settled.

When I said I wasn’t comfortable with it he got quite annoyed and said I was being petty and making something nice into an issue. He said it was for the children. I said that I wasn’t stopping his girls seeing their mum. They could see her earlier in the day or he could take them to see her, or she could come over for a bit. I just hadn’t agreed to having her here for the whole dinner.

He then said it would be awkward if she only came for an hour and that the girls wanted her there. I do get that. They are old enough to understand their parents aren’t together but obviously it would be nice for them to have a Christmas where everyone can be in the same room and get along. I am not trying to make things difficult for them.

I don’t think she has done anything wrong either. We are civil when we see each other but we aren’t friends and we don’t socialise together. She’s never been rude to me and I have no reason to think anything is going on between them. They were married for a long time and have children together so obviously they will always have a connection. I’m not asking him to cut her out of their lives.

It is just that he does sometimes agree to things with her or the girls and then tell me afterwards. Usually it’s small things and I let it go, but this feels different because Christmas dinner is happening in our house and I’m the one who will be getting everything ready. I feel like if I had invited my ex to spend the day with us without discussing it with him, DP would have something to say about that.

My sister thinks he should have asked me first but says now that the girls are excited I should probably just let it happen. My friend says she wouldn’t have her partner’s ex wife sitting at her Christmas table at all, but I think that’s a bit harsh when she’s recently split up and would be alone otherwise.

I haven’t told DP she can’t come. I just said I wasn’t happy that he had invited her without even asking me, and now he’s acting like I’ve got a problem with his ex when that’s not what I said.

AIBU to think he should have spoken to me before inviting her, or am I making too much of it and should just get on with Christmas?

I think you’re being really petty.

He’s obviously not thought to tell you because ITS NOT A BIG DEAL to him and he was just tying to be nice?!

you have said yourself that there’s no issues between you and she’s always been nice and respectful…… so why would you mind?

i, personally wouldn’t have said anything…. Especially if it makes the children happy and just said afterwards “can you mention it if you invite another person to Christmas so I can make sure there’s enough food/wine/cake.

My husband HAS done this before and it’s not a massive deal. We are a FAMILY….. through our children! So what’s the issue?

Therealjudgejudy · Today 18:48

He sounds very disrespectful of your feelings. Why doesn't he share the workload fairly? Is it beneth him??

ItalianChips · Today 18:45

I have been with my husband for 11 years and I have shared a Christmas breakfast and on another year a dinner with his ex wife who also would have been alone. (It was during the lockdowns and her mum was in hospital)
The difference is though we both talked about it and agreed with the invite. We knew my step daughter was worried about her mum being alone and we didn’t want that and also I like her, we genuinely get on and I see her as a friend. It would probably be better for your step daughters to have there mum for dinner but you should have been asked and you also need to stop doing all of the work that goes into Christmas.

Rhubarb24 · Today 18:41

On a serious note, the problem isn't just that he didn't ask you, it's that he doesn't feel that he has to. And he probably never will. That's the problem. You need to decide whether you are happy to put up with that for the rest of your life.

He doesn't ask you because your opinion isn't important. He does what he wants and if you are inconvenienced, he doesn't care. He sees that as your problem.

Dutch1e · Today 18:39

outerspacepotato · Yesterday 23:38

He voluntold OP that his ex was coming for one of the big events of the year in their shared home.

I think that's big enough to rethink the whole relationship. He doesn't respect OP's opinion, doesn't feel she should be consulted about events in her own home, and she's expected to go above and beyond because well, he doesn't. He's basically telling her it's his way or he calls her names.

He takes her completely for granted. I don't know about you but anybody who voluntells me gets a big no for an answer. It's extremely disrespectful.

He unfortunately sounds like one of those men who gets a woman to live with to do the work around the home, events included, and likes to play the big man good guy inviting his poor lonely ex while expecting OP to work like a damn dog.

Completely agree.

And he's already tested the waters with "minor issues" prior to this.

I'm five years he'll have taken over OPs bank accounts, dress sense, job choices and friendships.

Anyone who has had the good fortune to not have ever been involved with dickheads like this will think I'm being dramatic. And I'm delighted for them. The rest of us can see it coming as inevitably as day follows night.

Pinadaqx2 · Today 18:39

InTheMiddle23 · Yesterday 19:43

Make life easier for yourself - ask her to do dessert.

DH would be doing the entire shopping AND cooking.

Its band out of order from your OH... im not sure what you can do now though. I wouldn't be thrilled though.

dragonflygold · Today 18:38

WhereAreTheTrueGreens · Today 18:34

I had a similar thing a few years ago. My 'partner's' ex was single and was going to spend Christmas with her family then her friend then all fell through and he was hosting his adult sons and he invited her around so she wouldn't be alone. I'd never actually spent a single Christmas with him since his ex and boys liked to do Christmas as the old family unit (they split up around 20 years ago long before I'd met him.

It was awful and YANBU @IcyPortal he is. His ex's problems are not his problems to solve. As here my 'partner's' ex's problems were not for him to sort out. However, you can never win when children, even adult children are involved and it left a lasting resentment that changed our relationship for the worse.

Stand up for yourself and say NO why should you have to solver her problems.

Why was it awful?