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Parking and the elderly

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Ireallycantthinkofagoodone · Yesterday 19:11

I recently attempted to renew a blue badge for an elderly (93 year old) relative. Despite him needing to use a walking frame or sticks, having had several falls, having stiff and painful joints, and a bit of confusion, he has been refused a blue badge.

I have lived in an area that had a ‘brown badge’ scheme, which were given to anyone over a certain age - I think it was 70 or 75. Now, not everyone needs to secure a space near to store entrances - I’m late 70’s myself and regularly walk 8-10k a day, but many people do need this, as they can’t confidently walk too far.

But aside from blue badge spaces, the only other close ones are parent and baby spaces. Why? I don’t understand why the latter can’t be further away, and wide enough to access car seats.

If my 93 year old relative is no longer entitled to a blue badge, I feel the only option is to park in a so called baby space, so that I can encourage his ongoing independence in choosing his food shopping. He just wouldn’t go if I couldn’t assist.

AIBU - Elderly people don’t need consideration in supermarket car parks

AINBU - If blue badges are being heavily restricted now, spaces in car parks should be set aside for the elderly, and parent/baby spaces moved further away.

OP posts:
SockPlant · Today 09:20

nomas · Today 02:17

They should just use the P&C bays if they have a genuine need.

not sure about anywhere else but in meadowhall you can only use the P&C if you have pre-registered with them, and the child has to be there when you register.

Which means visitors from out of town aren't able to use them, and nor are locals who need a temporary wider space. It is infuriating, especially in older car parks where the bays are calibrated to car widths that are 30 years out of date.

emuloc · Today 09:19

Summeriscumin · Today 09:16

So much ageist shite - where are the mods?

Any posts have to be reported, if you feel that they warrant it.

Summeriscumin · Today 09:16

So much ageist shite - where are the mods?

SockPlant · Today 09:15

Nearly50omg · Yesterday 21:05

If he’s confused and doddery then he doesn’t need to be taken shopping does he!

that's right - only young people should be allowed to be out. Not elderly doddery gits, getting in the way and nicking all the parking spots, the cunts.

Monty36 · Today 09:09

Notaninfluencertype · Today 08:35

I don’t need to be near, I need to be able to open both back doors wide enough to get my children in and out without damaging cars.

Can you though if you are surrounded by large cars ? You might not park next to one but by the time you get to go home you are collared in by two monsters machines? The space you want is all gone.

LifeFindsAWay · Today 09:02

Challenge the decision I've noticed recently that blue badges, carers allowance, benefits etc quite a lot are just refused first time and they're hoping you go away. If you challenge or reapply you get a fair shake and may still not qualify but they've actually looked.

emuloc · Today 08:55

Ireallycantthinkofagoodone · Today 02:09

@Nearly50omg - I hope people don’t treat you in that way when you are older!

I think it’s very important to support and enable people to do as much as they are able and willing to do, at whatever age. Yes, I could do his shopping, or help him to do it online, but he likes to see the vegetables, and the fish, and I think that deserves to be encouraged.

Absolutely it does. It is good all round for him to get out, and be a part of what is going on, and get some gentle exercise, instead of being inside all of the time, and doing the weekly shop online. I have seen that type of comment before, and despair at the lack of thought behind such comments.

bababamama · Today 08:46

It’s far harder to get a badge these days. Despite this bizarrely plenty of able bodied seem to have them in the town I work in, if you can run you don’t need one (and no they are not picking someone up, my desk overlooks that road so I have been keeping watch and am liaising with the parking team who are convinced there is a major fraud problem but haven’t the resources to put the pieces together)

FirmSnake · Today 08:40

Sirzy · Today 08:17

I think the fact some people think fit and health adults need a closer parking space over a frail elderly person simply because they have a child with them says a lot about what is going wrong in society. Are people really that self centred?

Parent and child spaces are increasingly not near the front anyway. They're down the sides with a safe footpath instead.

HappyViewer · Today 08:39

Use a parent and baby space and appeal the decision.

Notaninfluencertype · Today 08:35

Sirzy · Today 08:17

I think the fact some people think fit and health adults need a closer parking space over a frail elderly person simply because they have a child with them says a lot about what is going wrong in society. Are people really that self centred?

I don’t need to be near, I need to be able to open both back doors wide enough to get my children in and out without damaging cars.

Seymour5 · Today 08:35

ToothpasteDownMyTop · Today 08:31

OP didn’t say this?

And it’s been pointed out numerous times up thread. He was a passenger. Like so many blue badge holders who don’t drive.

Monty36 · Today 08:35

I know people say the parent and child places are wider and needed because of that but as cars have got much bigger that additional space is all lost.

Soontobe60 · Today 08:34

Ireallycantthinkofagoodone · Today 02:35

Thank you to all the posters who have commented positively about the problem.

I have learned that many people have struggled to renew their BB’s, and I don’t quite understand the reasons for this.

I am in the process of challenging the decision on my relatives behalf, and I do think that on a ‘good’ day, I might be able to help him out of the car near the entrance, and go off to park elsewhere. But sometimes he really needs me to be beside him the whole time.

It’s the least I can do. He has been a tower of strength to everyone in his younger years, and now he deserves that same care and support. The shopping is an enjoyable experience for him, and I don’t want it to become more difficult for either of us.

Get him one of those walkers that has a fold down seat. Pull up at the entrance where taxis drop off, get him out of the car with his Walker, sit him in the entrance whilst you go park your car. When he’s finished shopping do the reverse.
All the supermarkets round me have P+C spaces away from the entrance, so parking there would still mean a good walk for users. Also, why was his Blue Badge renewal refused? Surely at his age he is less mobile than when he first received it?

Notaninfluencertype · Today 08:34

ILoveKits · Yesterday 19:55

It's cumulative. The far end of our carparks are about 800m. The elderly can do the store but not both. Also the additional space between cars helps them to get in and out if they are stiff, achy or need aids. The store is warm and dry; the car park may be slippery underfoot, if it's raining they struggle with a stick(s) and an umbrella.

Also getting out to shop is a social construct. Chosing, chatting to the cashier, bumping into an acquaintance, having a cup of tea and a cake in the cafe.

Edited

Half a mile? That’s a bloody big carpark.

drop him at the door and then park elsewhere. You can do that with an adult, I can’t with my baby and toddler.

ToothpasteDownMyTop · Today 08:31

humptydumptyfelloff · Yesterday 19:15

Ok il bite.

wtf are you doing encouraging a 93 year old with body issues and disabilities to still
drive

OP didn’t say this?

Monty36 · Today 08:27

The reason supermarkets give parent and child spaces near the front of a store is because they are competing with other supermarkets for their money and what they spend in the shop. So make it nice and easy. And near. Families are more likely to buy a trolley load.

I know people think or like to think it is some sort of social statement by the supermarkets ‘helping mums and tots’, and they present it that way. But it really is just about money.

Old people who do not qualify as disabled nor for a blue badge on the other hand buy less. A bag of tea. Swiss roll. Tin of cat food. Biscuits. Small pieces of food. So are worth less to the supermarket. Who do not go out of their way to make the experience nice for them.

They would never say that of course. But that is the cold reality. That and a society that seems to continue down a path of proactively despising older people. So they know nobody else is all that bothered either.

socialbatteryisdead · Today 08:26

humptydumptyfelloff · Yesterday 19:15

Ok il bite.

wtf are you doing encouraging a 93 year old with body issues and disabilities to still
drive

She’s driving him, taking him food shopping.

Sirzy · Today 08:17

I think the fact some people think fit and health adults need a closer parking space over a frail elderly person simply because they have a child with them says a lot about what is going wrong in society. Are people really that self centred?

NimbleTaupeTiger · Today 08:13

I think blue badge holders should take precedence nearer the store of course and parent and child spaces can be further away.

However, I do disagree that you should use parent and child spaces because these are sorely needed. We (early 60s) take our grandchildren out (4+2) and reaching into to car to unbuckle them, lift them out of and into car seats is back wrenching enough without not being able to open the doors fully wide. It might be great when you're in your 20s/30s but a lot of grandparents look after grandchildren and they need the space too to avoid injury and needing a blue badge themselves!

FirmSnake · Today 08:12

We've an aging population. There simply isn't enough room for the number of blue or brown badge spaces that would be needed if we handed them out to all old people.

RaraRachael · Today 08:12

My OH has applied for a blue badge because he can barely walk. I currently have to drop him at Tesco entrance then find a parking space. He's now been waiting 3 months. We don't actually know what's wrong with his feet as there's a 7 month wait for the orthopaedics clinic so not hopeful.
A friend's son with a below the knee amputation was turned down as he's "only lost half his leg, not the whole thing"

Don't see the need for parent and child spaces. They didn't exist when my kids were small and we all managed.

Createausername1970 · Today 08:03

PigletJohn · Today 00:07

You say it is private land, so surely the owners are allowed to impose whatever restrictions they like.

My garden is private land. I do not give you permission to park on it.

Eh?

If you designated your garden as a car park then I could - if I followed your regulations

Which is the whole point of my post. Not all disabled spaces are Blue Badge only. It's private land and it's up to them whether they stipulate this or not. My local supermarket carpark (co-op) doesn't have this restriction displayed.

accidentalmillionaire · Today 08:03

@Nearly50omgyou clearly have a revulsion of getting old with attitudes like the ones you’ve expressed. Maybe your user name is a clue. But the views you’re expressing are quite awful. Do they also apply to people with disabilities? Or is it just the elderly who need to be locked up out of sight?

Britishtrees · Today 08:03

In my area, there are never enough blue badge spaces, presumably due to the aging population. Due to demographics it’s only going to get worse. My 93 year old mum insists on going shopping at peak times, which doesn’t help.ConfusedSome local authorities still charge for blue badge spaces, presumably due to demand. With cars getting ever bigger, it’s going to be a bigger problem.

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