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Parking and the elderly

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Ireallycantthinkofagoodone · Yesterday 19:11

I recently attempted to renew a blue badge for an elderly (93 year old) relative. Despite him needing to use a walking frame or sticks, having had several falls, having stiff and painful joints, and a bit of confusion, he has been refused a blue badge.

I have lived in an area that had a ‘brown badge’ scheme, which were given to anyone over a certain age - I think it was 70 or 75. Now, not everyone needs to secure a space near to store entrances - I’m late 70’s myself and regularly walk 8-10k a day, but many people do need this, as they can’t confidently walk too far.

But aside from blue badge spaces, the only other close ones are parent and baby spaces. Why? I don’t understand why the latter can’t be further away, and wide enough to access car seats.

If my 93 year old relative is no longer entitled to a blue badge, I feel the only option is to park in a so called baby space, so that I can encourage his ongoing independence in choosing his food shopping. He just wouldn’t go if I couldn’t assist.

AIBU - Elderly people don’t need consideration in supermarket car parks

AINBU - If blue badges are being heavily restricted now, spaces in car parks should be set aside for the elderly, and parent/baby spaces moved further away.

OP posts:
iagreewithyou123 · Today 11:49

If the BB holder is not blind and not physically disabled, how do they qualify for a BB in the first place?

Funnywonder · Today 11:46

People do seem to get a bit worked up about others using parent and child spaces when they haven’t any children with them. But they are there as a courtesy and there is no law tied to their use, so really anyone can use them. I think it’s pretty selfish if someone perfectly able bodied, unaccompanied by children, simply wants to save themselves a walk. But it’s still not illegal. I honestly think that in the case of a 93 year old man with mobility problems (or indeed any 93 year old!) someone would have to be an absolute shit to begrudge him a parent and child space. Honestly, I would park there if I was you, and let the man enjoy his shopping trip. You must be very patient and lovely to facilitate this for him.

iagreewithyou123 · Today 11:35

Nearly50omg · Yesterday 21:04

Just drop him off at the door with his walker and then park the car 🤷‍♀️ he doesn’t need a blue badge as he doesn’t drive and anyone with him can drop him off and he is capable of walking with a walker. He isn’t disabled he’s just old which is why he’s not eligible for a BB

Would you say that if he were a child? Some older people get confused ( but still enjoy a shopping trip)

SometimesthingsMatter · Today 11:30

Awkwardisfunny · Today 11:19

They have leads for that now.

You mean reins? They've always had those.

iagreewithyou123 · Today 11:27

Catapultaway · Yesterday 19:51

Not sure of the correlation with moving the parent and child spaces. How does he get around the store if he is unable to walk from the car to the store. If its so painful for him would it not be an option to let him select his shopping online for delivery.

But you could apply the same logic to those with hidden disabilities who have a blue badge

And why should an elderly person have an online shop? Maybe, just maybe they derive pleasure from choosing items themselves and buying treats on impulse

Awkwardisfunny · Today 11:22

ChocolateBiscuitsandaCuppa · Today 10:48

I voted that you were unreasonable because I also read it as you were supporting him to drive. Apologies, I agree with you 100%.

You can change your vote if it's still open.

YewNork · Today 11:20

I’d use (and have used) a P&C space. I wouldn’t bat an eyelid at someone with limited mobility/a disability using one. I chose to have children, people don’t choose to be disabled/have limited mobility.

Depending on their capacity, I wouldn’t be dropping them off at the entrance either, my grandmother wouldn’t have coped well at all being left on her own at the doors but taking her out to get some shopping and having a coffee & lunch was the only semblance of her pre-dementia life and she enjoyed it, so if it meant parking in P&C, so be it 🤷🏻‍♀️

ETA; this is where reigns for toddlers come in handy. They’re a Godsend for car parks.

Awkwardisfunny · Today 11:19

PepsiBook · Today 11:19

No, young child spaces should be near the entrance - it's very difficult to safely take kids and a trolley to the car, especially when they want to run off.

They have leads for that now.

Awkwardisfunny · Today 11:19

Ireallycantthinkofagoodone · Yesterday 19:11

I recently attempted to renew a blue badge for an elderly (93 year old) relative. Despite him needing to use a walking frame or sticks, having had several falls, having stiff and painful joints, and a bit of confusion, he has been refused a blue badge.

I have lived in an area that had a ‘brown badge’ scheme, which were given to anyone over a certain age - I think it was 70 or 75. Now, not everyone needs to secure a space near to store entrances - I’m late 70’s myself and regularly walk 8-10k a day, but many people do need this, as they can’t confidently walk too far.

But aside from blue badge spaces, the only other close ones are parent and baby spaces. Why? I don’t understand why the latter can’t be further away, and wide enough to access car seats.

If my 93 year old relative is no longer entitled to a blue badge, I feel the only option is to park in a so called baby space, so that I can encourage his ongoing independence in choosing his food shopping. He just wouldn’t go if I couldn’t assist.

AIBU - Elderly people don’t need consideration in supermarket car parks

AINBU - If blue badges are being heavily restricted now, spaces in car parks should be set aside for the elderly, and parent/baby spaces moved further away.

I agree. I understand parents needing wider spaces but why do these need to be close to the supermarket? Plenty of people have good reason to want to be close to the supermarket when they park - but the point is how urgent the reason is.

PepsiBook · Today 11:19

No, young child spaces should be near the entrance - it's very difficult to safely take kids and a trolley to the car, especially when they want to run off.

SometimesthingsMatter · Today 11:12

ThePieceHall · Today 10:49

My teen has one and she could probably run, if she could be arsed. By your definition, she is visibly able-bodied. She is however blind.

Yes, it is sad that there is still ignorance towards hidden, and other disabilities. I have a relative with a neurological disability thay can affect balance, but because he looks okay he must be okay according to some.

SometimesthingsMatter · Today 11:09

LadyGardenersQuestionTime · Yesterday 19:44

It’s very unusual for someone’s blue badge to be taken away and he certainly sounds as though he qualifies for one. Did something significant change? Have you considered appealing?

Yes op, this is shocking. You need to appeal. He should have a blue badge no question.

Ihateslugs · Today 11:05

I have a blue badge because I cannot walk very far and am in pain every step I take. I have renewed it twice, every time I end up having to appeal but I do get told what additional evidence I need. This time, last October, it was an updated medical report ( can’t recall exactly what it’s called) which is a print out I get from my GP of all my visits, referrals, medication etc. It is simply a printout from my records and I do not get charged for it.

I think the rejection letter has the phone number to use for an appeal so I suggest you do that and ask why the renewal was refused.

ThePieceHall · Today 10:49

bababamama · Today 08:46

It’s far harder to get a badge these days. Despite this bizarrely plenty of able bodied seem to have them in the town I work in, if you can run you don’t need one (and no they are not picking someone up, my desk overlooks that road so I have been keeping watch and am liaising with the parking team who are convinced there is a major fraud problem but haven’t the resources to put the pieces together)

My teen has one and she could probably run, if she could be arsed. By your definition, she is visibly able-bodied. She is however blind.

ChocolateBiscuitsandaCuppa · Today 10:48

Ireallycantthinkofagoodone · Yesterday 19:59

I should have explained - I’m driving, and he is the passenger!

I voted that you were unreasonable because I also read it as you were supporting him to drive. Apologies, I agree with you 100%.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · Today 10:46

humptydumptyfelloff · Yesterday 19:15

Ok il bite.

wtf are you doing encouraging a 93 year old with body issues and disabilities to still
drive

They don’t need to drive themselves to need a blue badge. Anyone giving them a lift will probably need it.

My DM’s care home had one for relatives to borrow if necessary.
When taking DM (then over 90) to e.g. the optician it was impossible to park anywhere nearby, except with a blue badge, and she was no longer able to walk any distance. And I couldn’t drop her off to go and park - she had dementia, would very quickly forget that I was coming back and get into a panic.

Bitsostuff · Today 10:44

Notaninfluencertype · Today 08:34

Half a mile? That’s a bloody big carpark.

drop him at the door and then park elsewhere. You can do that with an adult, I can’t with my baby and toddler.

Can't do that with a elderly person with dementia either.

OP YANBU. We were refused a blue badge for my dad - profoundly deaf, dementia, couldn't walk that far but enough to wander off. Used to take 2 of us to get him to the gp - one to stay with him and one to go find a parking space on an adjacent street as they only had blue badge parking. Utter nightmare.

nomas · Today 10:40

SockPlant · Today 09:20

not sure about anywhere else but in meadowhall you can only use the P&C if you have pre-registered with them, and the child has to be there when you register.

Which means visitors from out of town aren't able to use them, and nor are locals who need a temporary wider space. It is infuriating, especially in older car parks where the bays are calibrated to car widths that are 30 years out of date.

You would think they would have a system to pre-book a P&C bay or something.

Or at least be able to go up to concierge services and ask for an exemption.

BirdLandedonmyHead · Today 10:38

Portmore · Today 10:22

If that's the case then she would drop him off at the drop off/taxi space or by the entrance surely?!

Often the only place to drop someone iff involves stopping in the road.
It then takes time to get them out and somewhere safe.

Then the same in reverse.

Sirzy · Today 10:25

Portmore · Today 10:22

If that's the case then she would drop him off at the drop off/taxi space or by the entrance surely?!

Why should she? That makes everything much tricker rather than parking in a safe and suitable parking space.

Portmore · Today 10:22

emuloc · Yesterday 19:17

Who said that he is driving? He can use the BB in any car, as it is assigned to him. I do believe that the OP is driving him around.

If that's the case then she would drop him off at the drop off/taxi space or by the entrance surely?!

ILoveKits · Today 10:17

Notaninfluencertype · Today 08:34

Half a mile? That’s a bloody big carpark.

drop him at the door and then park elsewhere. You can do that with an adult, I can’t with my baby and toddler.

You can't if they are anxious. And yes the car parks at out of town retail parks here are vast.

borntobequiet · Today 09:47

Seymour5 · Today 07:04

There seems to be very little understanding of what old age actually means to one’s mobility, resilience, and confidence. I still volunteer, I go to the swimming pool, I have quite an active social life, mainly during the day. But I tire much more easily, and my stamina is far less than even five years ago.

Several of my friends, all around 80, use walking frames and/or walking sticks. We are very conscious that we are slower, less stable on our feet, and lack stamina. We try and keep active, but are careful not to fall. Falling causes far more issues to an elderly body, than to a younger, more robust one. Having a blue badge means (whether we drive or not) the opportunity to get out, whether to the shops, the theatre, the leisure centre.

I’d also add, if anyone who has no mobility issues sees someone who is obviously old standing up on public transport, please offer them a seat, and please don’t sit in the accessible seats. Many of us avoid it nowadays, as being jolted, with an increased risk of falling, is a genuine worry as we get frailer.

There seems to be very little understanding of what old age actually means to one’s mobility, resilience, and confidence.

This. A lot of people, currently dismissive of such problems, are going to get a shock as it happens to them.

I’m in my seventies and though I still work, exercise and have a busy social life the difference between how I was even ten years ago and how I am now is very noticeable.

SockPlant · Today 09:26

Summeriscumin · Today 09:16

So much ageist shite - where are the mods?

it is reactive not pro-active modding so you have to report.

But ageism is generally ok here, and the reply will be something along the lines of "meh, we're leaving it up, plenty of people are challenging it in the comments"

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