FOUR out of FIVE new jobs went to foreigners in the past decade, new report reveals

UKs problem in a nutcase.

There have recently been £5000 incentives for businesses to hire someone from India, which costs businesses less overall because they can pay them less. From a purely business decision, it makes sense. It's not right, but it makes sense.

And don't get me started on employees on "skilled worker" visas working at kebab shops.

No they don't actually They come in miles to work there and the local people can't get the jobs

The problem is we the taxpayer are already paying hundreds of billions per year in our of work benefits including to over a million NEETS (youngsters not in education, employment or training) and should not be importing yet more people unless they have highly specialised skills we don't already have (very low no I would think). It is a huge waste of money and potential and miserable for people without a purpose. We could spend a fraction of the benefit budget in ensuring carers etc are paid a decent wage and UK based people would rush to do the job. I know from when I did a brief stint as a carer that although the headline rate was relatively high I had to spend a lot of time waiting between jobs so ended up on about £8 and hour. The present situation is unsustainable as the govt has got us £3trillion into debt and when it all crashes people are going to get a shock.

Yes, I do think a lot are too lazy to work, though when you have a welfare system that means people are often better off not working, because as soon as they start a job lots of other benefits stop, it is inevitable.

A friend of mine worked out that by doing quite a stressful job for 37.5 hours a week she was only £10 better off than when claiming benefits, so she managed to blag a medical reason to pack it in, takes the benefits and has a relaxed life.

I do know this is not typical, and I have seriously disabled friends who are really struggling to make ends meet, but there are cases. Also now it's a way of life for some families, who are on the second or third generation living on benefits.

We used to have lots of industries and factories that employed thousands, so there were plenty of jobs at all skill levels. Now those have gone and will not come back, if anything AI and robotics will further shrink the physical job market. It's a relentless spiral, and I have no idea how it can be fixed.

I think we need to use a little bit of critical thinking here. It's talking about 'new' jobs, which will include a lot of seasonal and unstable work, such as fruit picking on farms, and temporary contracts in many industries. The jobs end and then the following year they are 'new' jobs. It also doesn't include when someone leaves a role and someone else is hired for that role, it's not a 'new' job it's an existing job being done by someone new.

So it's worth thinking about what kinds of work is being referenced in this data, and much of it is exactly the kind of work we already know that our economy relies on foreign workers for. Nothing to get up in arms about I don't think.

Why would they bother? When they can probably earn more from benefits then they can just stay in and watch telly 😬

I’m not complaining?!?

Hopefully mumsnetters are getting savvier about spotting pot-stirring, AI generated posts with links to ‘studies’ at odd websites…

Well it was on the front page of the Daily Fail today, you know that hugely biased rag that always pushes their own narrative.
The OP and her math maybe an American bot that belongs to the MAGA crew.

It won't happen but don't complain over the quality. Only badly trained or not at all trained immigrants work for a pay that low with the current conditions in care.

I worked in retail up to 2 years ago and the last 3 times we recruited we got 2 English applicants and about 20 foreign applicants. My son is a mechanic and they are always trying to recruit and rarely get English applicants. I don't know why it's happening but you can't give people a job if they don't apply.

@Bridgertonisbest agreed. But don’t let your common sense and critical thinking overtake the thread now will you.

Well, I use various approaches to lobby and canvas but yes, I enjoy talking to people face to face and I don't need to save time.

An awful lot of people think families (read: female relatives) should do it
for free, so I’d be surprised if there was
much public support for the idea.

The usual misunderstanding that correlation does not equal causation!!!!

These figures do not tell us that migrants are taking jobs that British people could have taken or that migrants have caused more British people to claim benefits. We don’t know whether the benefit
claimants are qualified for the jobs, able to travel to them, are well enough to do the jobs, can fit their childcare responsibilities around the jobs etc etc etc.

No suprise the Times has already retracted its version of the story for being wrong

It'll be interesting to see what the OP has to add to this conversation when she returns to the thread.

Raise the pay and reduce the load on people working in care - and you would no doubt be able to recruite more than immigrants.

I bet this is utter nonsense. We had something similar a few weeks back and it turned out to be just untrue How Do You Turn "10 Brits for Every Migrant" Into "27 Migrants for Every Brit"?

But they still can't claim.benefits for 5 years, as far as I know.

those middle aged Asians probably own the BP

Only if the new jobs they've 'taken' were really poorly paid. You can't have it all ways

Schrodinger's immigrants!

Look at any KFC or BP etc. Very few English kids working in them these days. Even in almost all white towns. Usually middle aged asians