FOUR out of FIVE new jobs went to foreigners in the past decade, new report reveals

I graduated in 2008 just as everything went to absolute shit economy wise. And I can remember the utter misery of living at home applying for job after job after job. And then hearing helpful opinions on how young people today don't want to work.

I applied for every job out there. I also applied for jobs I really wanted that I was qualified for because why wouldn't I? A "dream job" if you will
And in the long run all of that paid of because Inended up getting a job I really wanted just as I had given up hope. I wouldnt have been able to get it now because of Brexit but that's another conversation.

By "dream job" substitute maybe "job that lasts longer than 6 weeks and that pays above minimum wage? And yes, I imagine a young person would be pretty gutted if they missed out on such a job or on a job they really wanted due to not replying to a job offer in time. Because they don't hate themselves and wish I'll.on themselves

Where does this idea that people younger than you are lazy.come from? It's quite unpleasant. Maybe you could go pick strawberries to prove how much better you are? Don't be lazy and wait till spring, get yourself down to a farm with your CV and ask to start work now. See how that goes.

There are only so many social media influencer or computer game designer jobs out there.

Dream job?? For an unqualified teen with no experience?

I don't think this, fwiw. I believe most of them want to work. As I said, my friend gets hundreds of applications from young people (and unemployed people) when she has a vacancy at her shop. They're not lazy; they're not addicted to their Xbox, but they have, imo and experience been let down by their parents, i.e our generation.

If your child has reached the age of 16 and doesn't know how to mop a floor without flooding the place, you have failed as a parent.

NEETS are a different kettle of fish altogether. My DD was NEET for a long time; she had crippling anxiety and depression and multiple suicide attempts. She wasn't in work or training because she physically could not get out of bed 9 days out of 10, and the help she needed wasn't available to her due to austerity. She won't be the only young person who has struggled to get help.

I agree. People seem to think that all NEETs are playing Xbox in a darkened room.
The ones I know ended up with jobs, but it took them a year to do so... and they applied for everything.
It is really tough out there, but some people are living in the way past days of handing your CV in, giving a firm handshake, and getting offered an interview there and then.
The press are reporting that there are more NETERs in their 50s than there are NEETs.

And also it prevents them from actively looking for work as you can't really be doing that while picking fruit from dusk till dawn. You are uncontactable for any of the companies you have already applied for jobs to and if called for a last minute interview in your dream job you would be absolutely devastated to miss it because you were picking raspberries. Most young job seekers around today are sending our masses of applications to lots of companies and it's rare to hear back with a negative these days (they don't reply) but they are expected to be available at short notice for interviews etc. So just hitting pause for six weeks or more to earn less than minimum wage is a big gamble and not actually very sensible.
Some people are so sour about younger people and I don't know why but it's deeply unpleasant.

I would also question this
I also heard from a science professor at a British university that the majority of his team was foreign because most of the Brits with an education in science simply didn't know maths on a sufficiently high level.

Britains education results are actually pretty good compared to the rest of the world. The UK scores in the top ranks of the global Pisa ranking for maths (It's basically the UK, Estonia and all the rest are Asian countries in the top ten). At a higher education level the science training/research and the connections top universities have to businesses are usually cited by industry leaders as one of the things the UK has going for it for industry (countered by the high electricity costs, lack of space, Brexit etc). That doesn't mean that employers won't want to recruit from overseas as well because if you want someone who is the very best in a very specialist area you spread the net wide. The UK is also very attractive to very talented people from India/Asia. Partly because the pay is better. Partly because of the high regard its Universities are held in ironically. So UK graduates are competing against the very best of much more populous countries (who to be fair take maths very seriously and also do very well in the Pisa rankings). We have issues
But it is nonsense to suggest that science degrees from top UK universities are looked down on or providing substantially inferior graduates.

Maybe there is no where to plug in their Xbox?

Because it is less than NMW work. They get charged for the accommodation onsite, which pushes their wage lower.
It makes no sense to do that sort of work when you have a home in the UK elsewhere... hence why foreigners tend to do it.

How is your post relevant? The source of data is HMRC - it isn’t counting people coming on social care visas issued by non-existent companies and working cash in hand.

And what's stopping youngsters who are unemployed and living with parents going for the few weeks fruit picking and returning home after?

It's not about work ethic.

Why don't you uproot your life and move to rural Somerset to spend 2 months picking fruit? You won't have a job the rest of the time of course.
Or, live in London where there are jobs but move temporarily to pick fruit for 2 months. Of courses the money you earn won't cover the cost of your mortgage/rent so you will lose your house probably.

The point is that farming work is very seasonal and most rural areas require short term surges of temporary workers. The areas economy cannot support them long term (for the rest of the year). It's been the case since the industrial revolution.

You can either pull the nations children out of school and send them to work the fields (as some more authoritarian countries do) or encourage workers from areas where wages and cost of living is lower. If the money they can earn picking fruit is significantly higher than they could earn at home it makes uprooting temporarily worthwhile. However, rural areas have lower pay than the rest of the UK so you need to recruit from outside.

It's hard to recruit enough British people for temporary farm work but it's NOT because of laziness and it is annoying that it gets reduced to this.

Do 16/17/18 year olds get benefits?

Because I specifically mentioned young people in my post, not unemployed people. I don't think my friend particularly cares about when applicants last worked or how long they've been unemployed.

You can be sanctioned for being piss poor at a job and getting sacked.

Aren't those classic I'm ticking the boxes to keep benefits flowing actions? When you get a role do a piss poor job at it so you lose it again and can get back to your playstation.

My friend owns and runs a shop and does this. It's not because she wants or needs 3 years' experience; it is to put off the applicants who gaze gormlessly at you as if you're speaking an alien language when you ask them to mop the floor, or the ones you need to take 10 minutes to explain to them why tins should be put on the shelf label-forward.

She doesn't like employing young people with no experience, not because they're young or British, but because she's taken too many chances on them only to find out they have no life skills and very little in the way of common sense. They want to work; they apply in droves when she advertises, but she's very reluctant to give any more of them a chance, hence advertising for 3 years' experience.

Yep, and somehow have to manage work search commitments and visit the job centre every 2 weeks... from Australia 🙄

Lots of defunct care companies..... If only we could get the government audited.

So there are statistics on how many of them are also claiming benefits, or is it just pure speculation??

They’d have to save every penny for about a year.

What is "benefits class"?
Many people work and also claim benefits.

There was a job advertised in my town... NMW retail job in a vape shop. They wanted 3 years of "vape experience" (whatever that means).

No they don't. Do you know how much a flight to Oz costs? Do you really think that someone in the UK who is struggling to find work is using their paltry UC money to go to the other side of the world to get a fruit picking job to put on their CV?

According to many on here the unemployed are working class

It's the working class people are we are worried about. It's the benefits class who need to get the jobs. You can't be working class if you don't fulfil the core part of the definition