FOUR out of FIVE new jobs went to foreigners in the past decade, new report reveals

a. Fruit picking veg picking etc a lot of which is LIVE IN work. If you rent social housing you have to actually live there. You are not allowed to live away from home for the length of time these employers want you to. If you want that you will need to give SH tenants more rights! But that would also mean giving them more rights to leave their home for other reasons Up for that are we? Dont bother cos i know the answer to that already.
b. Gas safety checks fire door checks electric checks Surveys My tenancy agreement says i have to be home for these and no i cant get a friend or neighbour to do it for me.
c. the hatred there is for SH tenants ensures that some busybody would probably report the flat as abandoned if a tenant were to risk their tenancy by taking this job (which id bet money some on this thread would do)
d. i have mentioned SH tenants because they will be the most likely group expected to take these jobs yet their hands are tied and they cant And even if they wont perhaps they want a life after the working day (just like home owners have) You know the ones who arent expected to do these jobs instead of sharing a berth with a stranger"

The MN hypocrisy on this is stark . Moan like fuck when tenants break their tenancy agreements for any other reason but are happy for tenants to break tenancy agreements by not living there. Oh but only when it comes to back breaking work. Not for other reasons. Cos when you rent social housing you actually have to live there. Retired friend of mine is currently going through a benefit check. Ive seen the letter and one of the questions queries that hes actually living there. You want SH tenants to do these jobs you will have to allow them more leeway and rights but that would also mean they could leave their home for other reasons and have more choice and i know lots of Mners would not want that. Because they want it both ways.

I thought I was going mad too. PP was on about people going to Australia to pick fruit.

Thats not what you said initially though is it.

The teens who are living with parents duh. That they can return to the family home after the work finishes How many teens have social housing of their own? Don't try and be such a smart arse

And the social housing rules? Notice that you glossed over that.

Working for uber eats or a take away isn’t really being productive, is it

Working for uber eats or a take away isn’t really being productive, is it

Where on earth are you getting working class parents from? How about working class teens living nearby

Young, generally middle-class Brits go backpacking around Australia and do fruit picking/seasonal work to help fund their trip.

If you cannot see the difference between a young, middle-class Brit taking a gap year and a working-class parent who needs to be home to do the school run and isn't allowed to leave their HA house empty, I don't know how to help explain it to you.

But hang on - I thought they all came here to not work , claim benefits and hang around doing nothing. So which is it or are you just stirring up hatred .

I can tell you that it is completely impossible to get ethnic British people to work as fruit pickers. When I worked for a farm, they all laughed when I asked where they advertised in Britain. Once, in 2014-2016, I can't remember when, they contacted a job centre that informed the farm that they would send 45 people for an interview. 7 turned up. Only 4:were physically capable of doing the job. Ie. only 4 were not obese. The farm had a bus and was willing to pick up people several places in the city centre each day and drive them home in the afternoon.

It is beneath Brits apparently. A lot of them have the same reaction to jobs like cleaners and carers.

I remember reading on Facebook that a non-British woman who was a manager got told by the company receptionist, that she ( the receptionist) had voted for Brexit because she hoped she could then get the manager's job. The manager had a Master's degree and spoke several languages. The receptionist had her GCSEs and only spoke English.

I also heard from a science professor at a British university that the majority of his team was foreign because most of the Brits with an education in science simply didn't know maths on a sufficiently high level. It was also a problem to find Brits who can do large scale programming. Ie. they cannot handle large data sets. He felt that the problem is that they students pay for their education and therefore the universities have a tendency to let students pass who really really shouldn't pass or to lower the level of the exam so that everyone can pass.

My point here is that the problem isn't the foreigners.

Left wing? Are you taking the piss?! 😁
I've been on here for absolute years, and yes, it used to be very left wing leaving but it changed quite a while ago. There's been a definite shift to the right for anyone paying attention.
It used to be "underneath" and people denying it, but it's out and blatant now.

Yet brits go over to Australia and pick fruit there

Do 16/17/18 year olds get benefits?

Because I specifically mentioned young people in my post, not unemployed people. I don't think my friend particularly cares about when applicants last worked or how long they've been unemployed.

Well I think they are going because they ran out of job prospects in the UK. They go to Australia and hope they'll gain experiences there which will help with the job hunt when they return - or they'll find more meaningful work there.

Yet brits go over to Australia and pick fruit there

I would also question this
I also heard from a science professor at a British university that the majority of his team was foreign because most of the Brits with an education in science simply didn't know maths on a sufficiently high level.

Britains education results are actually pretty good compared to the rest of the world. The UK scores in the top ranks of the global Pisa ranking for maths (It's basically the UK, Estonia and all the rest are Asian countries in the top ten). At a higher education level the science training/research and the connections top universities have to businesses are usually cited by industry leaders as one of the things the UK has going for it for industry (countered by the high electricity costs, lack of space, Brexit etc). That doesn't mean that employers won't want to recruit from overseas as well because if you want someone who is the very best in a very specialist area you spread the net wide. The UK is also very attractive to very talented people from India/Asia. Partly because the pay is better. Partly because of the high regard its Universities are held in ironically. So UK graduates are competing against the very best of much more populous countries (who to be fair take maths very seriously and also do very well in the Pisa rankings). We have issues
But it is nonsense to suggest that science degrees from top UK universities are looked down on or providing substantially inferior graduates.

I was talking about the youngsters that don't have a degree or even any qualifications. Not bloody graduates. More the ones who haven't got gcses. Why would they get paid more than minimum wage?

I've worked constantly since I was 13 ( 3 years part time and the other 40 full time) so I don't need to prove I'm not lazy thanks

Where did I call them lazy anyway? If unskilled foreigners can pick fruit then no reason why unskilled British kids can't.

And 6 weeks work experience is better than sweet fuck all

My friend owns and runs a shop and does this. It's not because she wants or needs 3 years' experience; it is to put off the applicants who gaze gormlessly at you as if you're speaking an alien language when you ask them to mop the floor, or the ones you need to take 10 minutes to explain to them why tins should be put on the shelf label-forward.

She doesn't like employing young people with no experience, not because they're young or British, but because she's taken too many chances on them only to find out they have no life skills and very little in the way of common sense. They want to work; they apply in droves when she advertises, but she's very reluctant to give any more of them a chance, hence advertising for 3 years' experience.

Where do they even advertise these infamous fruit-picking jobs? I live in the NE, so near plenty of countryside. I have never ever seen any jobs for fruit picking advertised.

I imagine that is the biggest reason why British teens don't "want" to pick fruit. They don't know it is an option available to them because the jobs are advertised overseas to attract foreign workers who will work longer hours than is legal, for less pay than is legal.

Where do they even advertise these infamous fruit-picking jobs? I live in the NE, so near plenty of countryside. I have never ever seen any jobs for fruit picking advertised.

I imagine that is the biggest reason why British teens don't "want" to pick fruit. They don't know it is an option available to them because the jobs are advertised overseas to attract foreign workers who will work longer hours than is legal, for less pay than is legal.

I was talking about the youngsters that don't have a degree or even any qualifications. Not bloody graduates. More the ones who haven't got gcses. Why would they get paid more than minimum wage?

I've worked constantly since I was 13 ( 3 years part time and the other 40 full time) so I don't need to prove I'm not lazy thanks

Where did I call them lazy anyway? If unskilled foreigners can pick fruit then no reason why unskilled British kids can't.

And 6 weeks work experience is better than sweet fuck all

I graduated in 2008 just as everything went to absolute shit economy wise. And I can remember the utter misery of living at home applying for job after job after job. And then hearing helpful opinions on how young people today don't want to work.

I applied for every job out there. I also applied for jobs I really wanted that I was qualified for because why wouldn't I? A "dream job" if you will
And in the long run all of that paid of because Inended up getting a job I really wanted just as I had given up hope. I wouldnt have been able to get it now because of Brexit but that's another conversation.

By "dream job" substitute maybe "job that lasts longer than 6 weeks and that pays above minimum wage? And yes, I imagine a young person would be pretty gutted if they missed out on such a job or on a job they really wanted due to not replying to a job offer in time. Because they don't hate themselves and wish I'll.on themselves

Where does this idea that people younger than you are lazy.come from? It's quite unpleasant. Maybe you could go pick strawberries to prove how much better you are? Don't be lazy and wait till spring, get yourself down to a farm with your CV and ask to start work now. See how that goes.