FOUR out of FIVE new jobs went to foreigners in the past decade, new report reveals

This is Iain Duncan Smith’s baby. You would expect right wing views.

I think new roles is probably not what they are. Many will be taking the place of retired workers. It does suggest the Brits are not wanting the roles or are too expensive and need a lot more training. The obvious employment area is health and if we want a semi functioning health service, should we not have employed them? The 1 million neets almost certainly could not do these roles.

We have millions of young people out of work.
They should be encouraged to go for these jobs.

Data source is correct. Interpretation is not, and limitations of data not explicitly stated. E.g nationality is based on nationality at the point someone applied for an NI number, maybe as a 16 year old child of immigrants. If they subsequently acquire UK citizenship this isn’t reflected in the figures.

To answer your questions for where I work...
Do we think this is due to Brits being 'too lazy to work'... no
because of a combination of employers wanting to pay lower wages and offer worse working conditions to migrants... no
preferring to employ migrants/not wanting to invest in training Brits/diversity hire tick boxes... no

The past three hires have all been from abroad and we have had to wait for them to get visas (skilled worker) before they can start which took ages. They were the best candidates for the jobs and that's why they were offered.

However, there were in all cases people who were interviewed who did not require new visas (not sure if 'foreign' or not) who were also judged to have been employable after interview and would have been offered the jobs if the first choices turned them down. I personally also applied for an internal role in a different team and was second choice (but employable) with the role being offered to a candidate from abroad who requires a visa to take it up.

I know I will be told it's just sour grapes but this does make me a bit uncomfortable tbh. Not because I am against hiring from abroad full stop at all. I work in a very multi cultural workplace and that's fine. I am not convinced (as is shown by the interviewed candidates that we deem employable at the end of the process) that we need to be always employing from abroad when we do.

What are your DCs qualifications and what do they want to do?

Rules around who can bring dependants, and what salary is required to do so, limitations/costs etc.

I've recently come across the idea of 'greedy jobs' - employers who are asking for the moon on a stick for absolutely minimum they can get away with paying. It seems to be increasing in a employer's market where they can pay less and less and demand more and more.

Anyone seen the mumsnet posts of people finding it hard to get jobs or their childlren here in the UK??

So are they not all fighting age single men then...?

MATHS

This :)

Worth chucking the report through AI with a prompt asking about credibility and bias btw….

EU citizens accounted for 408,000 jobs, while the vast majority – 2.5million – went to migrants from the rest of the world, the Centre for Social Justice (CSJ) said, with most of the surge coming since the pandemic.

Iain Duncan Smith is the Chairman of the CSJ.
Iain Duncan Smith took a leading role in the Brexit Leave campaign.
He's been a Conservative MP throughout the whole period this report covers.
The Conservatives were in power for the majority of the period covered in this report.

The pandemic coincided with Brexit coming into effect.
Since then 2.5 million jobs to migrants from the rest of the world.

EU workers were net contributors.

Care staff with visas being expected to work 36 hours in a row knowing that if they refuse, they could lose their visa.

If these statistics are correct, that sounds like an employer/ worker's rights issue and not an immigtarion one.

YABU to start a thread seemingly for the sole purpose of stirring up hate and division, literally the day after the Chief of MI5 made a statement specifically noting the dangers of anti migrant rhetoric.

How reliable is this as a data source?

Various reasons:
Aging population - more people are retiring than there are school leavers entering the workforce. We can’t train enough British People for British Jobs because there aren’t enough of them.
Migrant workers can go where the jobs are - UK residents who were born here or are long term settled tend to be more tied to their local area by families, owning or renting their home and not wanting to give it up etc. Migrant workers move to where the work is. British People in the South West won’t give up their British House for a British Job in the North East.
Migrant workers are more likely to be younger, have more flex around hours, willing to take on short term, seasonal roles, and be physically healthy and thus able to do jobs that require a lot of activity.
and yes, they’re willing to do the shitty jobs that British people aren’t. You can say it’s because employers won’t pay rates that attract British Workers but British Customers will be quick to complain when prices go up. Margins in most areas that employ low paid migrant workers are slim to negligible.

What rules have been changed ?
Employers still do not have to prove they could fill a vacancy with someone resident here before sponsoring someone from overseas.

Schrödinger's immigrant....

Gordon Brown in 2007, that’s who! Turned out well.

Math??? Hmmmmmm

Anyway mostly, I blame bloody Boris.

It is apparently getting a bit better now that rules have been changed.

If an employer wants an overseas worker they have to sponsor them to come here.

Unless it has changed they no longer need to prove that they could not get someone currently resident in the UK to do the job.

@titchy Hmmm didn't have such a big problem pre-Covid.

Maybe it was the way care staff were treated during that time that led them to find other jobs.

Large employers ship staff over from India and make the UK staff redundant.