FOUR out of FIVE new jobs went to foreigners in the past decade, new report reveals

The Employer applies to become a Sponsor. Able to recruit overseas workers.
The Home office website will explain. Once a Sponsor they have to meet requirements but can then ‘endorse’ an overseas worker to come. They then issue a Certificate of Sponsorship and there you are.

There was a factory that I knew of ( through work) in 2004/5 that did replace all theirstaff with polish workers Jobs weren't advertised in the UK. Same as many farm workers

Ha, my favourite response so far.

I've just emailed Tim Harford at BBC More or Less to see if they can make a bit more sense of what on the surface seems like a very strange statistic. Can't imagine I'll be the only listener who's sent this one in.

Mumsnet also has absolutely zero influence.

i have to confess to not understanding what “new jobs” or “jobs created” means. Presumably this isn’t replacing individual staff who move on (so for example in existing caring roles) so does it mean new industries/ new employers / expansions? If so is there something about those jobs which mean they are more likely to be filled by those from abroad - for example AI jobs being filled by people from countries which have more AI industry.

Or does new jobs simply mean anything advertised?

This is the reason, if you are from a poorer country our shit jobs are a step up in the world.

"You do the math" is one of those unwanted immigrant phrases from the USA. Along with Americanised mangling of the pronunciation of words such as "advertisement" and "privacy". Be-gone, back to where you came from, and take all the pumpkin spice nonsense with you too.

The report bases that claim on "it's own analysis" of the statistics found here: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/uk-payrolled-employments-by-nationality-region-industry-age-and-sex-from-july-2014-to-december-2025/uk-payrolled-employments-by-nationality-region-industry-age-and-sex-from-july-2014-to-december-2025. That's the specific set of stats they reference.

However, while I do think there are concerning things in the report (the number of UK nationals in employment rose after COVID to post COVID levels but then fell again) I can't see how they got the 4/5 statistic at all. I am not saying it is wrong just that I can't see their working there at all. You would have, on the face of it, to make a lot of convenient assumptions to make that stat fit.

It would be good if someone more knowledgeable could figure out the maths

Also worth noting in the above report is that wages for non-UK nationals (both non-EU and EU) have risen slightly faster than for UK citizens. This isn't that surprising since the new working visa rules brought in by the Conservatives had a threshold income for people coming to the UK, and Labour raised it by more. So you would expect that to filter out some of the lower wages. However I do agree that people having to live in HMOs, be underpaid is a problem. But then we need to accept paying jobs like carers and prison staff more (and crucially providing good quality free training and career paths. But that costs money).

You seem angry we don't agree with you?

Not saying you are a bot, but there are plenty of bots targeting Mumsnet because it has a large audience.

How do they get visas then? Because employers need to prove that if they don’t already have the right to work.

I can only find Iain's report in today's right wing media Telegraph, GBNews etc.

Actually, the construction trade did ask for builders to come from India so this may not be too far off.

I'm glad to see that these propaganda threads are completely failing to achieve the desired result. Hopefully they will fuck off and leave us alone soon.

Oh and the benefits and disability ones end up the same, so just bugger off please.

Are you British? Because we usually say "maths" here.

No they ship work over to India/overseas: operations are offshored

No. The employer ‘sponsors’ them to come here.
The employer does not have to prove that they could not find someone to do the job already resident in the UK before doing so.

OMG you couldn't make it up - oh look, you just did!

Quite. But not before Iain's Brexit.

EU immigrant workers were net contributors to the UK economy and Brexit closed that down.

They came here steal our jobs while lazing around on benefits!

We came to work for NHS and a secondary school 20 ago.

Nobody wanted our jobs at the time.
We have never recieved any benefits from UK.

We have relocated recently to our native EU country - both NHS and the local secondary school were not happy to see us go. The jobs are awful and hard, sorry. Recuiting is imposible. Good luck.

We are settled and well in our native country. We are better paid. Working less hours. National healthcare much better. Less racism (we are white btw). Our youngst attends an international private school for £2500 a year.

We could have stayed in UK. We didn't wanted to.

They are much better workers