AIBU - problems with antisemitism amongst NHS medical staff?

No, I didn’t make anything up. I know you didn’t report her. You made the allegation here. It’s extremely serious even if not made formally - alleging a Muslim doctor was trying to murder or seriously harm you just for being Jewish by giving you incorrect medicine. I was enquiring about the outcome of their investigation.

ive not abused anything. As I said, I am sad for you both. It’s a terrible state of affairs that you feel so targeted you believe it was on purpose, and that she is being accused of what you are accusing her off. Or even, the very remote possibility, that you are right.

So no, there is no need for me to apologise.

Please reread the post you have just link too

I did not tell anyone involved in investigating her what I was worried about. She was automatically investigating because she gave me a drug that could do me serious harm. I didn't instigate the investigation the hospital did.

You deliberately have made up a lot of stuff in your head that isn't in my post or true

I explained my experience earlier and my worry. You have decided to abuse that for your satisfaction I can only imagine. Think you owe me an apology.

The fact their are Jewish may even be obvious from their clothes.

Have you met many Jewish people?
I have, and in the vast majority of cases, you wouldn’t have had a clue they were Jewish just by looking at their clothes.

Also, why would their religion be on the admission form? It's entirely optional. Many Jewish people aren't even religious, but they can still be targeted by prejudice.

I hate that. Nobody should be forced to do anything symbolic if the don't want too. Felt tbe same about the taking of the knee. Yes it was positive in some ways but it became an obligatory thing and if some didn't do it with there team or whatever they got abuse for it. That meant to me the meaning became lost, you can't force respect or it becomes just another thing to do.

So I know about a kind of Zionism but not your Zionism and people believe in different Zionism because there’s a Jewish Zionism and then a political Zionism which not many people believe in.

ok…. Well I was referring to the political and nationalist concept of Zionism that’s been used as a political justification for decades for war and genocide. If that’s not your Zionism (Jewish right to self determination) then that’s fine, as we are talking about two different things and I have not commented on your Zionism.

Totally agree no religion should be free from scrutiny, same goes for non religious ideologies too.

Your determination to not understand what the meaning of Zionism is to the majority of Jews and non Jews for that matter means you don't understand Zionism.

You do understand an area of political Zionism probably but that isn't what most zionists believe. It is just a small percentage of Zionists have made their Zionism into something else.

You can believe whatever you like about Zionism but it doesn't change what Zionists believe about Zionism. At the end of the day people know what they believe far better than strangers that have not sort to learn about them.

Yes this is exactly the issue with it

People are not mind readers, they can only go on what they see. Therefore if they associate a badge or flag with something negative or violent for their race/ethnicity/religion that is worry for them. What the person actually means by wearing it is totally irrelevant

Did they find it to be antisemitic in their investigation? That’s an extremely serious allegation to make. I obviously hope you are wrong, and you even acknowledge you might be. presuming you are feel very sorry for a young Muslim doctor being accused’s of attempted murder rooted in, essentially, what I can only conclude is a belief all Muslims are evil and want to kill you. Which is a pretty Islamophobic view to hold.

honestly, I am saddened for both you and her, for Jews and Muslims and that the world has got to this stage. I am myself an atheist and am really struggling to see any benefit to religion when you hear about all the hate it seems to generate - in all directions. But maybe it’s just humanity in general.

You're extraordinarily naïve if you think the UK hasn't become a place where being publicly Jewish is a dangerous thing to do. UK Gov stats (excl Metropolitan Police which if included seems likely to make it worse) shows 117 hate crimes per 100,000 people against Jews, 13 per 100,000 against Muslims, 2 per 100,000 against Hindus and 0 per 100,000 against Christians. In that context your "hope that any Jewish patient can have faith in their fellow Brits that they can hold two truths in their mind" is extraordinarily insulting - when you are being medically treated your are particularly vulnerable and its extremely clear that Jewish people who fear how they may be treated in those circumstances are not "fragile in their beliefs". They recognise how extreme the UK has become.

It can be general considered whatever but that doesn't make that accusation truth. It just means people have limited understanding and have not bothered to ask zionists what it is they believe in.

I don't know and never will but her being young and possibly flooded with the type of things my friends have been from some of the more extreme members of her community or social media it has made me wonder. I understand that may wrong to you but you have to be in my shoes to get it probably. Didn't put in a complaint saying what I was worried about because no proof and she might well have been to innocent in that regard. She was investigated for her error though because it was quite a serious thing.

Anyone wanting guaranteed single sex intimate care would be alarmed by an LGBT friendly lanyard though. Everyone has their own perspective.

I think you just have to accept that many around you are racists. And the positive thing with them being open about it is that you at least know now.

I have not read this thread and don't intend to, as I can see the current result of the poll. It'll be one excuse after another as to why someone isn't a racist when they are. It is like the "I cannot be a racist because I've got a friend that is [insert any minority here]" brigade who then just spews all sorts of tacism.

Antisemitism is nothing new. People are just .more proud of it now

Except her op wasn’t just about people opposing Netanyahu, was it?

It also mentioned:

• midwife Fatimah Mohamied, who allegedly endorsed a post supporting Palestinian “resistance” on Oct. 7, 2023 by responding “Hell yeah!!!” to a post during the Hamas-led onslaught of October 7, 2023, that said: “Palestinians have a right to resist their occupation — we have a right to support them.”

• physician Dr. Abdelaal Ragheb Elfarra who claimed Zionists control the media and the world

• emergency physician Dr. Nadeem Crowe described Israel as a “terrorist octopus.”

• occupational therapist Zaida Akhtar allegedly shared a video appearing to encourage violence against Netanyahu’s son and a “false flag” claim about the Bondi Beach attack in Australia last year.

So what do you think about these?

But if you're arguing that the poppy should be banned in mainland Britain
I'm not arguing it should be banned at all I was highlighting why it is a political symbol. And McClean the footballer referenced in the article I linked got the abuse referenced when he was playing for English League clubs in "mainland" Britain because he refused to wear the poppy!

It's the first I've heard of Palestinians being killed in the name of zionism.

I agree. I think these symbols cause more questions than they provide solutions. This nonsense was soon stopped by the Met police. An impartial public service across the board is the only way to make everyone feel equally safe.

Id be interested in hearing the views of Palestinians killed in the name of Zionism - I’m sure they’d have their own safety concerns. I actually also don’t think religious views - of any direction - should be free from scrutiny if they are harming others, just because they are based on religion. That’s not antisemitic/ Islamophobia/ anti-Buddhism, it’s an opinion on the boundaries of freedom of religion. But as I said, both those things are a separate discussion, so feel free to start a thread on it.

We agree people should feel safe and without political or religious prejudice in their medical treatment, perceived or real, so we can agree to disagree on Zionism.

I’m not Muslim or Jewish but I totally agree that any show of discrimination in the NHS, or anywhere that deals with the public on a daily basis, is disgraceful behaviour. I am old enough that stories of WWII were everywhere when I was young and we grew up with the knowledge. I imagine that, if I was Jewish, I would feel very on edge in the current climate and in a place like the NHS, where we are all vulnerable, any outward sign of discrimination would make me anxious whether the staff seemed competent and caring or not.

The previous poster stated 'in mainland Britain'. We know these symbols are contentious in Northern Ireland. But if you're arguing that the poppy should be banned in mainland Britain because people in Northern Ireland find it controversial, I'm afraid you will get a lot of pushback.

On what is a political symbol: personally I'd like to see the back of LGBT lanyards and Black Lives Matter badges in the NHS as well. But I dont rule tge world, and on this issue I think we are talking about pro-Pal badges and Israeli flags not ok, hijab and magen Davids perfectly ok.

I agree about not wearing contentious political symbols, including pro Palestine badges. I think the first consideration should be where your dress will provide a barrier to your patients in accessing care.

I just wanted to say that "no political symbols" is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Because some political symbols help with a sense of safety.

As far as I'm aware, Trusts already issue guidance. Many Trusts issue lanyards or badges promoting political views that they feel will help with access.

Jews can't be arsed to justify their continued worry and concerns for their family's safety. It's notice not having that worry, I suppose. Zionism is not a form of oppression; it is a form of entenched survival.