AIBU - problems with antisemitism amongst NHS medical staff?

I can only assume that because PP didn't even know Northern Irish people are British and the way they talk about it that they think we aren't allowed to move and live here, and if we do we aren't really British. It's almost like the completely ignorance of the violence northern Irish people went through contributes to how complex some find the poppy.

Kindly you dismissed the notion that Northern Irish people are even British so it's no wonder the politicisation of the poppy goes over your head.

What do you mean who's in charge? These are initiatives created and encouraged by the NHS, so yeah when you give your employees a legal right to do something you're gonna have to have proper logic to take it away

It’s not ‘extremely serious’ to talk about a scary medical incident on an anonymous chat forum and wonder if there might have been some nefarious intent behind it.
I completely disagree when the intent alluded to was because the doctor was muslim and they were jewish, that is an extremely serious suggestion and could easily have negative connotaions for muslim health care workers and jewish patients. No one knows who is reading these forums and what that type of assumption may enocurage them to do.

You don’t think it’s serious to accuse a young doctor of attempted murder just because she’s Muslim? Of course that’s an extremely serious allegation to make. And, unless there’s more to it, also extremely Islamophobic.

i have the world of sympathy with the PP who feels this paranoid. As I said numerous times, what an awful state of affairs the world is in if she feels like that and no one should have to live like that. BUT that doesn’t mean it is the doctor’s fault (who presumably is not in any way associated with Hamas ) and it doesn’t mean it’s not Islamophobic. In the same way that if I said a black doctor had tried to kill me by making a serious medical error, just because of a gut feeling and because she was black would be incredibly racist. Fear does not excuse prejudice, even if it might explain why someone might feel like that.

It’s not ‘extremely serious’ to talk about a scary medical incident on an anonymous chat forum and wonder if there might have been some nefarious intent behind it.

Pp mentioning it here has no consequences for the doctor in question.

Yes and this is the problem. You don't understand about basic professional behaviour.

Agree.

It is frightening yes. I was referring to Gazan children being taught anti semitism in school. From a report by the international research group Institute for Monitoring Peace and Cultural Tolerance in School Education (IMPACT-se).

Examples in the report include reading comprehension exercises describing terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians as “heroism”, maths exercises asking children to count the number of “martyrs” who died in the First Intifada, and children’s books circulated for National Reading Day depicting a suicide bomber who killed 21 Israeli civilians.

Obviously you can accuse me of racism for stating the truth but you would be wrong to do so. This is what children have been taught.

The threads moved on a bit. Now apparently just being Palestinian would be an antisemitic in itself. Wonder what any Palestinian doctor or nurse should do to not offend anyone there….

my comment still stands - if you read the subsequent ones I’ve made clear that people should be entitled to receive medical care and not feel threatened and political symbols are not appropriate for front line care for that reason. Neither is antisemitism- obviously. People are however entitled to have their own political opinions (not antisemitism) outside work.

I don’t have more sympathy for her, I’ve repeatedly explained my position and you trying to twist that and call me names isn’t going to change that.

I am sorry you received poor medical care and were unwell. My point is that it is pretty sad state of affairs when you are accusing her of what you are on nothing - from what you yourself have explained - but a feeling, the fact she made a serious error and the fact she’s Muslim. Obviously and as I also already said if your feeling is right that would clearly also be shocking but it just seems incredibly unlikely and you’ve not really explained why other that feeling/ religion/ current climate you believe it. If there was more to it that I somehow missed, feel free to clarify, but if this is going to continue with you calling me names and demanding an apology for showing just a little scepticism that a doctor was trying to kill your just because she was Muslim then this exchange probably can’t meaningfully go any further.

This is frightening. Some Palestinians are taught to hate Jews from birth, likely the terrorist Hamas supporters, and some Jews are taught to hate Palestinians from birth. Settlers in the West Bank are a clear example of illegal, racist and hate filled individuals who are active genocide supporters. Many are no different from the racist, hate filled and active genocide Hamas supporters. The hatred on both sides is real and awful amongst the limited group of extremists. The settlers are clearly ideological extremists.

If you see no difference between the Palestinian population, and the people who want them to have a safe home country free from mass killing, and Hamas supporters then that's quite scary. Civilians are not terrorists (on either side). Your view that all Palestinians hate Jews is racist and not compatible with a peaceful society. I hope that you don't work in the NHS because I would be terrified to be treated by you if I was a Palestinian given you've automatically decided that all Palestinians are hate filled people looking to hurt Jews. As we've established on this thread, no one deserves to be fearful when being treated in a hospital.

Political symbols in hospitals should be banned including both Palestinian and Israeli flags.

It’s not even the UN’s opinion, just the opinion of the three people who constitute that specific Commission of Inquiry.

I think workers are entitled to their political views.

I also think they don't come with you when you are giving medical care. You give the best care to everyone and you don't discuss politics there. That means wearing political symbols.

There are tricky questions, like what about mandated religious clothing? But I think the principle is clear in general.

Where things become difficult is the extent to which talking about your political views outside of work, and including on social media, is restricted due to your job.

Because health care and other staff deserve to be able to participate in legal political discourse.

I'm not sure what the answer is with that. I think it may end up getting worked out in the courts.

The comments op listed in her first post weren’t simply ‘anti genocide’.

I really don’t think this thread is about people being ‘anti genocide’ or criticising the current Israeli government.

Except the comments in question (as listed in the op) were not simply about Netanyahu, so your Putin analogy doesn’t really work.

Are you in Gaza? Because if you’re not, the rain analogy really doesn’t work.
Anyone can look out a window to see rain. That’s not the same as assessing a complex geopolitical conflict thousands of miles away via social media and news feeds.

I’ve lost count of how many times the International Association of Genocide Scholars has been mentioned on here, and how many times people explained why this organisation really isn’t the authority its name suggests it is.

Anyone can join the IAGS for a yearly fee, no academic credentials required. According to their own website, their members include students, journalists, artists and activists.
Out of 500 members only 129 voted on the genocide resolution, 108 in favour. Yet, people keep referencing them as some sort of undisputed authority.

You accused this doctor of trying to seriously harm you on this forum and the information you have given seems to show that you are basing that off of nothing more than a feeling. If she wasn't mulslim what would you have assumed her motives be? Im sorry the doctor made a terrible mistake. I hope you were able to recover and that you got some answers from the formal investigation.

I disagree, you owe me an apology. The fact you don't understand why is something rather special

Going on about me doing her wrong on a anonymous forum makes you an apologist

You have a lot of sympathy for an anonymous doctor who did actually do me harm, I walked into the GP surgery with some small issues and what she did put me in hospital for goodness sake.

Unbelievable lack of basic human empathy you are showing towards the victim but oh much empathy for doctor that caused harm to her patient.

If you don't want people to miss understand you then just say Israel government or governments. Talking about Zionism is always going to get you into a conversation you obviously don't want to have ten thousand times because most of us don't. To quite someone earlier "we can't be arsed"

I get I write in a muddle sometimes but that is the way I write. However you obviously did know what I meant so don't get rude

I am saddened for both you and her, for Jews and Muslims and that the world has got to this stage. I am myself an atheist and am really struggling to see any benefit to religion when you hear about all the hate it seems to generate - in all directions. But maybe it’s just humanity in general.

I am not religious, I am Jewish because I was born Jewish

Jews and Muslims can get on very well together because we have some very basic things in common and often similar life experiences. Most of us in my part of London don't have the hate people think is going on. Israel too is a good example of Jews and Muslims living, working and being friends. However people don't tend to look at that side of Israel. Sorry to derail their but don't feel sad for Jews and Muslims in general because a lot of us are fine. Feel bad about judgement on people you have never met and a conflict that is never going to be settled by people abusing each other on the internet for kicks.