AIBU - problems with antisemitism amongst NHS medical staff?

If they were so dissimilar you and PPs would have more logic and arguments to back that up in response to people pointing out how they are the same, except for 'I disagree'

But we don’t know a crime took place at all? The PP just said she felt it had for no other reason than the fact the doctor was Muslim.

Yes I assumed you realised that the fact a crime such as assault or attempted murder had taken place would need to be proven first. Obviously.

The hate crime laws meams that if the victim perceived the perpetrator to have been motivated by hostility to a protected characteristic. This means it is an aggravated offence and thd sentence will be longer.

Yes it is a rubbish law as it depends on thd subjective opinion of the victim. Which isnt great.

“If I see someone wearing a Palestinian scarf or badge I think they are anti semitic Hamas supporters. Thats what they symbolise to me. Thats the badge they are showing of themselves to the world. Palestinians are taught from birth to hate Jews.”

palestinian = antisemitism, no?

Thought even you said anti-Israel comments were not relevant?

You are missing the first bit. Establishing a criminal offence. Medical negligence isn’t a criminal offence. Attempted murder required intent. It fails at the frist hurdle. A criminal offence didn’t take place just because PP felt it did. Can you imagine the chaos of the legal system if that’s how it worked 😂😂

That might be true, but I still think the real threat to trust between Jewish patients and Muslim healthcare workers isn't an anonymous forum post, but the fact that medical professionals have actually been caught posting antisemitic and anti-Israel comments online.

A Jewish patient wondering about potential bias when they experience a dangerous medical error is a consequence of that, not the cause.

No. Not that it's true. An allegation of a hate crime. Unfortunately this is the current law.

"Any criminal offence perceived by the victim or any other person to be motivated by hostility or prejudice regarding protected characteristics."

Sorry wait. PP thought this Muslim doctor purposely poisoned her essentially. And you think because that’s what she felt then that’s true? We aren’t talking about the experience of racism, we are talking about an allegation of a serious crime.

But the poster felt that a potential hate crime had occurred because of her religion and that of who she felt was attacking her. And it's her subjective viewpoint that is relevant. If she felt it was a racist then it was. We all know this.

On the other hand it may just have been a young doctor's error which is probably more likely but we just don't know.

If you can’t see the issue with the accusation then I am not sure I can explain it to you.

if you fancy a bit of critical thinking you could try swap out “Muslim” with any other discriminated group (and obviously do the same on the other circumstances to make it fit)- black, gay, even Jewish - just to see how the allegation lands.

You don’t think it’s serious to accuse a young doctor of attempted murder just because she’s Muslim?

Not on an anonymous forum and without mentioning her name.

Pp didn’t just talk about the incident because the doctor was Muslim, but because she prescribed her medication that was dangerous for someone with her condition.

She also mentioned that the doctor was young, hence the mistake might have been due to her inexperience.
Still, it was a scary experience for pp and she’s entitled to talk about it.

What initiatives are being created by the NHS and who was involved in the consultation process? If you are talking about granting staff the right to promote any political or religious cause - without exception - taking that (ill judged) right away shouldn't be a problem, when it's open to abuse and its effects are seen as oppressive. Treating everybody equally and with respect is part of the NHS ethos.

No, you are trying to paraphrase what I said into something I did not say. I can’t type it out again, it’s boring. Read what I said and take it at face value. There’s nothing more to it. I am ever so sorry if I didn’t address every single point of the OP or the 400nor so comments since when u expressed my very simple opinion.

I tell you what, my gripe with all this is the hypocrisy. I agree Jewish people are the victims of antisemitism and prejudice. I absolutely do not think that’s right and it needs to be stopped and addressed properly.

what I just cannot tolerate conceptually is that that antisemitism is used to justify discrimination and hatred towards others based on their nationality or religion. Not having zero understanding for the suffering endured by the “other side”. And then that prejudice is justified because of one sides trauma and persecution while turning an entirely blind eye to the trauma and persecution of the other side, whose prejudices can’t possibly stem from anything except evil antisemitism (not perhaps that they have suffered extreme horrors at the hands of Israel).

like I said before, religion seems to be to just be a tool for division and maybe if everyone just put down their battle axes for a few minutes we could actually get to a point where no one had to be afraid of order kosher meals, or being accused for attempted murder for a medical error. Jeez.

What I have said was Palestinian children are taught to hate Jews. Which they are and have been. You've just extrapolated it beyond what I said and added your own opinion.

What is untrue about my statement?

In your pp I was replying to you said you didn’t agree with the celebration of 7/10 or with encouraging people to hurt someone’s relative, but also that as long as the comments were online and not said to patients directly you had no issues with them.

Wha type of comments do you mean though? Because this thread is not just about people criticising the actions of the Israeli government online.
I don’t think OP would have started it if the medical professionals in question had simply expressed their sympathy for Palestinians and criticism for Israel.
On the other band, for me personally, someone “only” celebrating October 7th online is bad enough.

I’ve seen very similar about Jewish children (in the opposite direction obviously).

so you are confirming that all Palestinians are, by virtue of being Palestinians, antisemitic yeah? Not just anti Israel (as we’ve been through now quite a bit, there’s a distinction there), but antisemitisc?

does this inherent antisemitism mean they cannot be trusted to provide health care to Jews? Just due to their nationality? It something goes wrong shall we assume that it was intentional and probably attempted murder? Again, just due to their nationality and this report?

Yes its not a useful analogy really. It doesn't compare like for like.

Do you not believe the findings of the report by the international research group Institute for Monitoring Peace and Cultural Tolerance in School Education (IMPACT-se) as mentioned above?

Examples in the report include reading comprehension exercises describing terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians as “heroism”, maths exercises asking children to count the number of “martyrs” who died in the First Intifada, and children’s books circulated for National Reading Day depicting a suicide bomber who killed 21 Israeli civilians.

So it is factually correct that Palestinian children are taught to hate Jews. The examples above hardly paint their lessons as peace and love.

Well they said Palestinians hate Jews, as that’s the way they are brought up. That’s pretty much saying that just by being Palestinians they are antisemitic is it not? “Hating Jews” is antisemitism is it not?!

I don't think you can speak for the Northern Irish as a whole obviously regarding their views on poppies.

But focusing on poppies and getting agitated about the thought of them is a useful distraction from the issue on this thread.