AIBU - problems with antisemitism amongst NHS medical staff?

I strongly disagree with the genocide in Palestine. I also disagree with the terrorist actions in October 7th. I have my own opinions and my job role has nothing to do with it. However I also don't think any political badges or symbols should be worn at my place of work and I strongly believe in treating everyone as I would want to be treated. I include poppies in that too.

Poppies do not make people feel unsafe Im afraid. Not red ones. As much as you would like to pretend they do.

Its part of the UK culture, you see. So if a person is assimilated they should know and understand this.

Poppies commemorate people who died during the two World Wars in this country. Remembering their deaths is not a political act. A huge number of people have a relative who died or was injured in those two wars and should be remembered by the people of this country. Its in no way comparable to supporting a side in a current war thousands of miles away and intimidating Jewish people. If you think that then something has gone very wrong.

It is political and a consistent non hypocritical logic would also ban those along with any other political cause that staff wish to show respect or support for. So I was asking PP if they should be banned. Given poppies and such could also be distressing for patients and make some patients feel unsafe. Or we let NHS be adults and human and show support with badges provided they treat all patients with dignity and respect.

If that's what you believe it to represent I can understand why you wouldn't wear one

That's not why anyone I know wears one.

I wear both fwiw.

They recognise the sacrifice - unchosen for many, given conscription - of those who fought and died for us to have freedom in this country. People had to fight regardless of which party was in power or their own political leanings. They knew it needed a collective effort to safeguard the whole country. That’s not political.

Did we read the same op?

If someone starts a thread about antisemitism in the NHS that gives the example of NHS workers opposing Netenyahu, obviously that is going to be part of the conversation. How could it not be?

They're undoubtedly political, you're just hypocritical.

How disappointing - yet predictable - that so many posters are choosing to quibble over the part of the OP that refers to criticism of Netanyahu (not antisemitic, I agree) and are using that as an excuse to swerve addressing the actual point of the OP and thread, which is about actual antisemitism within the NHS.

Antisemitism which is not contested, as it has been identified in the Mann report and the NHS have themselves accepted there is a problem with.

Yes a white poppy is political. It is denegrating the war dead of this country.

Yep

But people will look at the poll and decide it's anti semitism in action

They are somewhat political. The equivalent issue would be recieving criticism/ having one's motives slurred for wearing a white poppy.

Exactly this. It’s minimising antisemitism by claiming the examples in the OP are antisemitic. And that’s probably why this thread isn’t that supportive of OP.

Jews are not responsible for the actions of Israel, its leaders and the settlers. They are
not one and the same. Yet calling it out gets you called anti-Semitic. So are organisations like the CAA saying they are one and the same? So which is it?

This is the issue with the CAA - they have gone so far in labelling anything antisemitic that they are actually part of the problem as they are maintaining this mindset that British Jews are responsible for what is happening in Israel. They need to be protecting British Jews against antisemitism, not make the situation worse by claiming any criticism of Israeli and Netanyahu is a risk to Jews.

And the CAA isn’t the only one. The one that always comes to mind is Natasha Hausdorff, who when asked whether there should be a limit to Israeli settlements in the West Bank, her response was that she has a “serious problem” with the idea that Jews can’t live in certain areas because they’re Jewish. She is conflating the two, most likely deliberately, but in doing so it’s suggesting that the actions of the settlers is because they’re Jewish. How can she, and others, not see the damage they cause with this line of argument.

Poppies and veterans networks are not political. Particularly when we had conscription. Plus they are relevant to this country not another place thousands of miles away.

No poppies then? No staff veteran networks?

Source?

I honestly think this kind of thing is why cannot tackle anti-semitism properly. Not you but the statement you are responding to.

Allegations of anti-semitism seem to regularly conflate “hating / criticising somebody for being Jewish” with “hating / criticising somebody who happens to be Jewish”.

That a genocide is or has taken place
has not been established by a court. So at the moment it is just an opinion. Establishing a genocide as a fact will take many years in view of the evidence that will need to be gathered.

Of course.

@CurdinHenry 's post at 9.30am rather summed up your approach to this. In my opinion only of course.

Do you have any evidence to back up this wildly racist claim?

How does thinking a war criminal is a terrible person make you anti-Semitic though?

I don't think that being anti- Netenyahu is antisemitic is it? They are against war and the regime imposed on innocent people. They're not being racist against UK, European or any individual Jewish people?

But these people who were found to be too extreme obviously shouldn't be in a healthcare setting. That's fair enough. Same as NHS workers shouldn't be homophobic, extreme far right etc.