AIBU - problems with antisemitism amongst NHS medical staff?

Except many hospitals already fly these flags as standard. I'm sure it'll go down really well with the flag shaggers that you want NHS sites to stop flying union jacks. Oh and removing all the staff diversity and appreciation groups will go down great with equality law when you want to keep your poppies and veteran groups. I find Mumsnet a weird place where only half the people are speaking from a basis of reality.

I commented on one part of the op that I have something to say about. I'm well aware that there is anti-semetism, racism, sexism etc in our society, I don't disagree. I just don't have a solution.

Why is it that you expect to be able to dictate and bully others into only saying what you want them to? Inferring people are antisemitic (which is what I think you're implying?) if they don't agree with a fixed narrow narrative doesn't seem reasonable.

If I was to put a lengthy post up saying several reasonable things and one wildly outrageous claim, of course people will respond to the outrageous bit.

I'm still baffled as to why a Jewish patient would be afraid to order a Kosher meal in hospital.
Their religion would be on the admittance form. The fact their are Jewish may even be obvious from their clothes.
The canteen staff have better things to do, and really aren't bothered if you are vegan, lactose intolerant, Muslim, Jewish, pescatarian or coeliac. They just want to plate it up and go home.

Except some people.they do actually, as I already said. There are swathes of British peopl for whom the poppy is a complicated or distressing symbol..I'm not the one proposing banning symbols when staff otherwise treat patients with dignity and respect though but absolutely there are people who would prefer that their clinician wasn't wearing a poppy.
You and PP keep using words like "our" and "this country" which is further politicising the poppy. If you're going to argue to restrict NHS staff freedom of expression, fine but be consistent.

Exactly. But i would say no to the flags of any country including English, Scottish, Welsh etc.

It seems like you didn’t read the whole Op. You’ve cherry picked one part of a long OP that gave multiple examples. And was then followed in posts 2 and 3 with more info.

In just the opening post, Twiglets1 references posts calling the Bondi attack a false flag and the fact that Jewish people are afraid to identify themselves as such in hospital by ordering Kosher meals. Yet you minimised the issue by focusing on only one comment, which I agree is debatable and probably not antisemitic as a stand alone comment, and so didn’t respond to the point of the actual thread. Why is that?

It’s not hypocritical. Poppies don’t make people feel unsafe. They have been established for over a hundred years as a way we remember our war dead. Those people who fought and died to protect this country.

They’re not political symbols relating to a complex situation in a region thousands of miles away, they don’t call for any particular action and they don’t represent any political party.

It’s very different.

Your own examples paint pro Palastine as antisemitism. Don't try and talk around it and make out that isn't what you are doing. I'm sure there is antisemitism just like there is racism or prejudice against every group but this rehtoric that Pro Palastine = Antisemitism that you are playing in to is causing a divide, creating more tension and making people fearful. They see a Free Palastine badge and worry they will be discriminated for being Jewish because of this rhetoric, which in the vast majority of cases is not true.

I don't think anyone who chooses not to wear a red poppy does so because they think WW2 was unnecessary, do they?

I think it's the conflicts that followed that concern people.

Is it ok to wear a symbol remembering the dead if you don't agree with their cause? It's a genuine question, I'm never too sure how to feel about it. I have family in the army and feel desperately sad for soldiers killed in recent conflicts. But I'd probably think Germans were a bit tone deaf if they put a lot of emphasis on remembering the fallen in WW2. Even though on an individual level, the people on the front line weren't morally better or worse than Allied forces... just normal people told to protect their country and their families.

Any amount of racism within the NHS is unacceptable. It's heartbreaking to think that people may be reluctant to seek help because of their race or religion and any member of staff found to hold these views should be struck off.

The Isreal- Palestine conflict is incredibly divisive (and incredibly difficult to unpick, IMO). But regardless of an individual's beliefs surrounding it, no one in Britain should be blamed, threatened, or treated poorly because of it. I would have expected a Palestinian presenting in A&E on October 7th to be treated with the exact same dignity and respect as anyone else by medical staff, Jewish or otherwise. And I expect Jewish patients to be afforded the same dignity and respect today, regardless of who is treating them. If you can't manage that, you have no place working for the NHS.

Ok so a British Muslim medic wearing a white poppy then?

No I don't judge people for actions they don't take. Only actions they do.

And yet by not wearing the red poppy you can ascertain PPs opinions, so it's not as neutral or unpolitical as you are making it out to be. Now if a Muslim British medic didn't wear a poppy, are they showing a lack of respect for the dead?

Yes if you say so....

A lot of medics wear a Palestinian badge or another symbol to commemorate dead health care workers killed unjustly when trying to care for their patients. They're supporting dead people which is inherently unpolitical apparently..

I disagree. I ve been consistently arguing there is no political agenda with poppies. It is a cultural symbol.

Im talking about red poppies of course, which may be why you are confused.

You're almost there aren't you, thinking loading..

You know you're showing an embarrassing level of misunderstanding your own point by assigning political agendas to people while trying to argue the poppy isn't political...

Again. Poppies commemorate dead people. They are not political symbols. They are British cultural symbols.

And yes. The Second world war was a necessary and just war. October 7th was not.

Anyway we are moving away from tbe topic in hand.

I think you are very strange Im afraid. Im assuming as a "UK person" you did study history at a British school?

Anything that frames war as noble or necessary is a political symbol and you're showing that by acting like poppies are the only way to respect or commemorate people when surely your point was that staff should leave their political opinions at home? No patient needs to know your opinion no? Would you allow clinicians to wear white poppies as a statement? An anti war badge?

People died to defend this country from invasion.

If you wear a white poppy you are jumping onto that fact for your own political purposes. In order to distort the memory.

If you are a pacifist and would not have agreed witb defending this country from Hitler then Im sure there are many other emblems you can wear without trying to distort the red poppy's symbolism.

I am a UK person and have very complicated feelings about the British army, which anyone educated on UK history would know why. I'm not saying I feel unsafe but you don't get to decide that for people when you're all for banning one thing on the feelings of people and now are being hypocritical.