AIBU - problems with antisemitism amongst NHS medical staff?

Oh there's nothing to see here - it's just wearing a badge. When you've got Jewish people having their places of worship blown up and their whole identity and existence being threatened, hiding antisemitism behind anti zionism has become common place and just minimises real prejudice. We are regressing.

You're not too clued up on the various symbolism of antisemitism are you?

Northern Ireland is part of the UK but not part of Britain. The NHS only covers Britain. Northern Ireland have their own health care system where I imagine they have their own policies regarding what symbols their medical staff can wear.

Yes, that's the point. It's not as if our institutions are doing such an outstanding job that they've got time to sit around discussing the ins and outs of the Palestine-Israel conflict or any of the other causes du jour.

Why don't they just get on with the jobs they are paid to do, isn't that enough?

Yes, Britain and the NHS covers more than just England, but it doesn't cover Northern Ireland.

They are not part of Britain and they have their own health care system. Therefore if they banned their staff from wearing poppies, that would be up to them.

Ok so as regards actual incidents there are procedures for everybody to go through. Abuse is abuse ditto racism. Everybody deserves the same level of protection.

Don’t be ridiculous. There is a complaints procedure for all patients if they receive poor or discriminatory behaviour whilst they are receiving NHS care. That is the channel to go through should anything happen, you’re talking hypothetically not about actual incidents. Wearing a badge is not an incident. I don’t like crosses or any religious sign, neither does my gay child as he knows several religions are discriminatory towards the lgbt community however he has to suck it up if staff choose to wear religious jewellery. He does not however have to put up with abuse or discriminatory behaviour and he would need to report it in the same way as every other person. Abuse is abuse, ditto discrimination. Nobody is more worthy of protection.

Hmm, I don’t like the celebration of 7/10 or encouraging people to hurt someone’s relative, but being anti the genocide is a perfectly normal and reasonable political view. As long as the comments are online and not said to their patients I don’t see what the issues are. Being anti genocide or even anti Israel’s current government and its policies is not in of itself antisemitism.

It's always surprises me how politicised NHS staff and teachers are.

Not at all the op was talking about comments staff had made online not haranguing patients, if staff made comments about Putin online I’d say the same.

What have I just read. Jews just have to put up with it while going through the same complaint channels as everyone else!! Yes, while their primary children's schools are patrolled by strict security with such an unprecedented amount of hatred, they have got to just go with the flow, in the case of hostile people they come into contact with. Fcking hell Antisemitism is sometimes cleverly hidden. Put up and shut up because its not that different to anyone else's complaints.

Curious that people don’t denounce Russia or Russians in general for war crimes in Ukraine - they just demonise (justifiably in my view) Putin. But somehow all Jews aka Zionists are responsible for the actions of the current Israeli government and army. There is a word for that: antisemitism.
people - even more importantly, sick people deserve to be treated professionally and impartially when they attend hospital or visit a GP. Political or racist views and imagery such as badges should have no place in a health setting.

I applaud you for dignifying that glib post with an answer!

By your logic, if a person of Russian heritage presents as an NHS patient, an NHS employee would be perfectly justified in haranguing them for Russia’s war crimes in Ukraine?

I don’t need a meteorologist to confirm it’s raining.

Because that is the subject of the thread.

And the fact you are arguing against wearing a poppy is just sad example of how society is degenerating in the UK. In my opinion only of course. It explains lot of how this country is changing for the worse.

The argument is about whether the poppy is a political symbol and therefore should be banned along with other political symbols, as it has been suggested by many posters that political symbols should not be worn by NHS staff. I have demonstrated why it is indeed considered a political symbol by some communities served by the NHS. So agree with @Dontmakemethinkofanotherbloodyusername that it is hypocritical not to include it in the political symbol ban.

Although a poppy symbolises the war dead in WW1 and WW2
It symbolises all fallen soldiers now not just in the two world wars so does include those who served in Northern Ireland.

Also why are you talking about people fearing being attacked by NHS staff?

I've seen a few people on here who say they work for the NHS. Im then horrified to see their stance on the CITME board. Can you honestly see them being able to hide their feelings towards Jewish patients?

No there isn't. You just like to think there is.

I don't consider the issue I addressed (the attempt to restrict criticism of Netenyahu and his criminal acts by threatening the reputations of those who express this) to be a micro issue at all. It's an issue I think is important, hence my post.

I note that in none of your posts did you oppose homophobia, the destruction of the world whale population, the civil war in Myanmar or any number of other world problems. Shall I then assume you support all these issues? Or am I ok to assume it simply wasn't what you were focusing on?

Of course an attempt to imply people are antisemetic if they don't agree with (or parrot) everything you say is a bullying attempt to control the narrative.

Yes all very well but do patients in NHS hospitals in Belfast fear that they will be attacked by a staff member wearing a poppy? Unlikely.

To he honest in N Ireland I can see there is sensitivity. Although a poppy symbolises the war dead in WW1 and WW2 where people from N Ireland died too. I cannot see that it is the same as Hamas supporting anti semitic NHS workers caring for Jews however.

The fact you need to ask demonstrates how little you know about it tbh. Poppy wearing in northern Ireland is a contentious, divisive and politically charged issue. NHS staff there do have a personal choice whether they wear one or not but many people would see it as a symbol of British army actions in NI and not a sign of remembrance and are offended by it. The point being, dismissing poppy wearing as not political, as has been done by some posters, is not accurate, it is deeply political in some British communities.

Have the patients in NHS hospitals in Belfast said that poppies worn by staff members makes them feel in danger of their lives and that their care will be affected?