AIBU - problems with antisemitism amongst NHS medical staff?

And other Jewish people have said they find the marches intimidating and they avoid city centres when marches are taking place.

I never said British citizens can't voice the above that is obviously personal choice/free speech.

I just don't think it has achieved anything for people living in Gaza/West Bank.

And it has caused a lot of upset in UK society and helped flame the rise in antisemitism in the UK.

What has all the marching & demonstrations actually achieved for the people of Gaza?

"People go on marches etc for one of two reasons. Either they’re caught up in the whole virtue signalling of it and don’t really understand what antisemitism is, or they’re nasty little antisemites. Either way it’s grim."

No, people go on marches because our governments are giving money, weapons and enormous levels of political support to an extremely powerful country using that power to commit a genocide (or alleged genocide if you'd prefer) and apartheid. Many people are horrified and disgusted at mass killing that our countries are actively supporting. Luckily throughout history our people have a good record of standing up to mass atrocities and not permitting our Governments to stand with leaders who steal the lands of people and then kill them. People horrified by a genocide are not not, and neve have been, antisemitic. There is no definition of antisemitism that supports that.

"Not whining about things going on thousands of miles away"

What an exceptionally grim and offensive way to classify the mass killing of civilians. I share your horror at the way innocent Israelis were killed. It was a tragedy. It's awful that you view the butchering of Palestinians and people concerned at it as 'whining.' It sounds like you have different standards about which lives matter. I hope that's not the case.

This is really offensive.

All this attention on Gaza only stems from an obsession with the only Jewish state.

This for example. People are not obsessed with Israel. They are shocked by the the scale of destruction meted out to the men, women and children in Gaza. This is a good thing. Surely you would prefer a world in which people are stunned and repulsed by that?

There is no genocide happening

You can argue the toss on language or legal meanings of genocide. But - we can all agree that way too many people have died.

I realise that I don’t see a future for myself as a British Jew here in the UK

This is indeed a pity.

We trade with countries because our economy is even more f’d than it currently is if we don’t. People in Palestine are being attacked because their rulers - Hamas - butchered Israelis in the most hideous possible way. Palestinians voted for Hamas. make if that what you will.

Buy this fighting is miles away. There is nothing we as a nation can do or say that will make the slightest iota of difference. People go on marches etc for one of two reasons. Either they’re caught up in the whole virtue signaling of it and don’t really understand what antisemitism is, or they’re nasty little antisemites. Either way it’s grim. We need to focus efforts on making changes that improve OUR country, not whining about things going on thousands of miles away that we have no influence on whatsoever.

Apparently we can only be shocked by people suffering when the countries involved are ones the West trades with or gives a lot of money to.

Doesn’t feel quite right morally speaking but it conveniently explains all the focus on the Israel/Palestine conflict.

When the person in question ONLY criticises Israel over and over and never shows a wider concern for other conflicts/suffering, then it’s a pretty safe bet that the person is consciously or otherwise antisemitic.

Do these healthcare workers also post about the suffering and atrocities in Sudan? The persecution of the Uigyurs by China? Are they posting death to Xi Jinping? Or Putin? Are they raising awareness of the persecution of Christians by Muslims in Nigeria?

Or is it just they have an obsession where there’s a Jew to blame?

There’s no place for racism in the NHS and all UK citizens have a right to be treated fairly and without prejudice. I’m surprised and extremely disappointed that anyone would think differently.

They can say what they want. There is no genocide. There is a war with casualties. There is no killing with intent. Nothing I will say can convince you.

This is really offensive.

All this attention on Gaza only stems from an obsession with the only Jewish state.

This for example. People are not obsessed with Israel. They are shocked by the the scale of destruction meted out to the men, women and children in Gaza. This is a good thing. Surely you would prefer a world in which people are stunned and repulsed by that?

There is no genocide happening

You can argue the toss on language or legal meanings of genocide. But - we can all agree that way too many people have died.

I realise that I don’t see a future for myself as a British Jew here in the UK

This is indeed a pity.

If they aren't also concerned about the massive levels of violence happening elsewhere in the world and only concentrate on Gaza then I assume anti semitism I'm afraid. Can't pick and chose your concern.

This is really offensive.

All this attention on Gaza only stems from an obsession with the only Jewish state.

This for example. People are not obsessed with Israel. They are shocked by the the scale of destruction meted out to the men, women and children in Gaza. This is a good thing. Surely you would prefer a world in which people are stunned and repulsed by that?

There is no genocide happening

You can argue the toss on language or legal meanings of genocide. But - we can all agree that way too many people have died.

I realise that I don’t see a future for myself as a British Jew here in the UK

This is indeed a pity.

I don’t want to come across as dramatic but the more I read threads like this and a similar one last week the more I realise that I don’t see a future for myself as a British Jew here in the UK. The constant “it’s not anti semitism it’s anti Zionism” line is getting tired. All this attention on Gaza only stems from an obsession with the only Jewish state. There is no genocide happening and to be fair I don’t blame most on here for their views because if I were getting my news from the BBC or Sky I’d probably think the same. It’s just pathetic really how so many are so blind to the changing face of antisemitism.

When the person in question ONLY criticises Israel over and over and never shows a wider concern for other conflicts/suffering, then it’s a pretty safe bet that the person is consciously or otherwise antisemitic.

Do these healthcare workers also post about the suffering and atrocities in Sudan? The persecution of the Uigyurs by China? Are they posting death to Xi Jinping? Or Putin? Are they raising awareness of the persecution of Christians by Muslims in Nigeria?

Or is it just they have an obsession where there’s a Jew to blame?

There’s no place for racism in the NHS and all UK citizens have a right to be treated fairly and without prejudice. I’m surprised and extremely disappointed that anyone would think differently.

You're not likely to get good answers on here. It's all going to be "what about Israel?" And I don't support the Israeli government at all.

Dr Rameh Aladwan (who was suspended) has gone absolutely mask off on her twitter. We're talking conspiracy theories about the Talmud.

certainly you can criticise Israel without being an antisemite. But there's an experience I've had more than once (as a British-American Jew) of people bringing up the conflict in a pointed way, knowing I'm Jewish, looking for my reaction.

I did once experience antisemitism on the NHS but I couldn't have proved it. I have a very obviously Jewish surname and at the time lived in a very Jewish part of north London. I was questioning th midwife about some test results, and she said something about how I was being very inquisitive (not the exact word she used, I can't remember it now) and then "but you people always are" and I knew precisely what she was referring to.

I don't think criticising netanyahu is racist. Also you've given a sample of 5, several of which don't even seem to be about Jewish people they are about the political actions by the Israeli government, there are tens of thousands of people turning for the NHS, will some of them be racist. Yes, it's inevitable. Does that mean the NHS has a problem with anti-Semitism, no.