To be appalled that parents need to be supported by government to potty train their child

If they are not willing - they shouldn't be parents.

If potty training age and working full time you are either a) not restricted by school holidays and using year-round childcare so book a week off to potty train instead of holiday. Or b) have older children and have presumably booked at least 1 week off during a school holiday. Which will have to be used to potty train.

That's just an excuse. You shouldn't need a Sure start centre to help you toilet train your child or get your child to brush their teeth. We had no money when my DDs were young and they were both toilet trained by 2 and a 1/2. They also went to the dentist regularly.
I admit DS is 6 and still in nappies but he's severely autistic so I am not embarrassed by that I would have been mortified if my DDs had started school in nappies.

Yes I agree. Also the mothers you see pushing prams around town, one hand on the pram handle while scrolling on their phone. I witnessed one child in a pram nearly get flattened because the mother pushed the pram into the road, too busy on the phone to watch where she was going.

Absolutely this!

YABU because people want to be nannied by the state and the state want to nanny people - this is the result. Instead of people thinking for themselves

Because that was the official advice given by the NHS! You’ll find threads on here from two years ago, or even sooner with a poster worried about their child potty training with hundreds of posters telling them not to worry, they’ll do it when they’re ready. It’s a very pervasive myth that has been peddled for years and years. It stuck. It’s only recently shifted, so it will be a while to see the effects.

To potty train, you really need to clear your diary and be under house arrest for a fortnight ( my experience). I don't think many people are willing to do this or able to take enough time off work.

Come and work in a school and you will believe it ! Open your eyes. It’s not them and us . But seeing a two year old in a pram drinking cola from a bottle and watching a phone whilst the parent smokes in - this is the school gate . We see children swiping book . If you believe this is some classist thing and it’s not true then come and spend a day changing 5 year olds babies with us.

Whilst I fully agree this is crazy, I do think life now is just very hard for many, many people. Both parents working all hours to make ends meet. Many just don't have the physical time or mental strength to raise children properly. Gone are the days where 1 parent could be home with the children and the family still have a comfortable life. It needs to be addressed, urgently, but I dont think it's a case of pure laziness in every case.

Not just parents that needed parenting education/knowledge either.

I met most of my "mum friends" at sure start playgroups. Having a network of friends with similar age babies helps keep you on track of milestones and stops the isolation of new parenthood. Surestart playgroups were much more welcoming than church groups. The facilitators knew what they were doing and who to nudge together to create friendships.

It’s odd, isn’t it. I don’t know how I knew when to potty train, it may have been from the NHS book you used to get in hospital when you gave birth. I used the Gina Ford guide to potty training which worked.

Many parents in the nineties when my children were young both worked. I took a week off work to toilet train. An issue with some parents now is letting the child choose when they are ready rather then the parent working out they are ready.

I was so shocked when I learned that some children start school having never held a book. There are 100% parents out there who are failing.

I remember courses for parents but mainly mums back in the very early 2000s run by Sure Start for young parents whose own parents had no idea about how to raise a child or children of their own. So this knowledge and help didn’t come from their own families. It was disturbing for us to see how widespread this was in the south east but how many mums reached out for help knowing they weren’t coping. Sadly Sure Start got hit by new government and courses like this stopped.

ah it's the Tories' fault, course it is- don't forget to blame the Daily Mail, I've got my mumsnet bingo card out now

22 years ago a preschool nursery which they started at 3 would not accept children who were not toilet trained.
So most parents started around 2.5 year.
You were lucky if it was the summertime.
Just bought lots of little pants as many changes and accidents will happen. Fully dry within 10 days.

ah yes “The kid will train when they’re ready myth”! I got stung on that one. Also the number of women that told me their child got it in 3 days. After two weeks of accidents, I begged these women to tell me how they did it in 3 days… then I eventually got the confession… the day care trained them. And in fact, they were told to drop them off in nappies and the day care would train them during the day and when they were fully trained during the day, the day care informed the parents to stop the nappies.. and how long was that? “Oh about 3 months”. 3 days my arse.

Easier to pass them an ipad or iphone than do any parenting.

Yes that is the theory of why alot of children were happy to stay in nappies because they cant feel anything. My DD was in pull ups on and off while we were trying to potty train her I introduced training pants that were supposed to be absorbent whilst still soaking through so she knew she had wet or pooed herself.

We had to have several attempts at it though because she didnt seem to care how many times she would wet herself until it finally clicked and she started using the potty/toilet. The trick is to keep trying which i think alot of people probably give up on or dont even start to begin with because for some reason they dont want to persevere with it even though its so much better having a potty trained child.

Surely you want to train your child and n personal hygiene? I didn’t want our children to be taught toileting or teeth brushing by someone else

Seeing them be chuffed with themselves when they finally tied laces, or did a tie properly are moments you never get back.

Toilet training doesn’t take long.

Actually none of these skills take long it’s just stuff you do with your child along side you.

What a waste of teacher’s time. They could be having much more fun learning songs, or how trees grow or whatever instead of waiting for kids who have pissed themselves or can’t move a brush across their teeth.

Yes the parents do get judged, silently by other parents who think you have failed as a basic, ever so basic, parent and it is your child bearing the brunt of your neglectful laziness. And it is neglect.

Your child needs you to do this, find the time.

@Wisefishswimpast Some parents with Sen kids are lazy as fuck as well. My DS1 was diaper free at 4 but it was hard work. Refused to cut his hair or brush his teeth. With the hair I cut some while he slept and for the teeth I had to pin him down and force him. It was a litteral fight until he was 6 years old. He's now 16 and has never had a single decay in his life yet. You have to pick your battles they say, well I would say that health and hygiene is a hill I would die on.

100% agree. My niece is in nursery, about to turn 2 yo and is being supported with potty training.

Perhaps we really do need to go full on Brave New World. No need for parents at all, the government does it all.

Considering the NHS (and medical professionals like HV)advised for more than 10 years to wait until they are ready/show signs of readiness and only recently shifted, are you surprised?

Also we had no village or support. We lived in a city 100 or 200 miles from family. There was plenty of advice about 15 years ago. I would think there is more now?