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To want to completely change what my DC eat even when DH thinks I’m making a fuss?

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boltmelon · Yesterday 12:53

Namechanged because I’m embarrassed tbh and don’t really want anyone who knows me recognising this. I’ve got 3 boys, ds1 is 5 and has just started reception, ds2 is 2 and ds3 is 2 months old. I’ve realised our diet has got really quite bad and I’ve got to the point where I want to properly change what we all eat. Not put the older boys on diets or anything like that, just actually eat better food as a family. DH thinks I’m making a massive fuss about something that isn’t really a problem and I’m not sure if I am.

Our diet has never been amazing tbh. Before children we ate a lot of takeaways and convenience stuff and when ds1 was born I did try to improve things but gradually just got into the easiest routine again. This summer has been particularly bad since ds3 was born in July. I’ve had a newborn, a 2 year old, ds1 off school, it’s been hot and DH has been at home as well and I’ve been absolutely knackered. Food has basically become whatever gets everyone fed with the least amount of effort. I know I’m responsible for a lot of it because I’m the one who shops and cooks.

DH isn’t working at the moment after being sacked from his job earlier this year, although he’s taking it through an employment tribunal so that’s been going on too. He’s home a lot but doesn’t really cook. He’s never made a proper family meal from scratch tbh. He’ll put frozen stuff in the oven or do toast or order a takeaway but that’s about it. His own diet has always been pretty poor as well, lots of snacks and takeaways and stuff. I do wonder sometimes if the boys have just picked up all of this from him as he’ll happily eat chips and nuggets with them and say it’s fine.

Ds1 has just started reception and I’ve started noticing how much more solidly built he is than some of the boys in his class. He’s also quite short so his school trousers are already getting tight round the waist but if I go up a size they are ridiculously long. I’m not saying he’s obese or anything like that and I absolutely do not want to put a 5 year old on a diet. He does PE, plays outside at school, rides his scooter and we go to the park/soft play etc, we’re just not a particularly sporty family. It’s more that I’ve started thinking about where this is heading if we carry on eating the same way, rather than thinking he needs to lose weight now.

The thing that really made me stop and think was the dentist this week. Both of the older boys has cavities or early decay and I felt absolutely awful about it because I know their diet hasn’t helped. DH basically said they’re baby teeth anyway and they’ll fall out. I know they will obviously but that doesn’t mean I want them having fillings or decay at 5 and 2. It’s made me think we need a family reset rather than just carrying on because it’s easier. I’m thinking proper meals, more veg, less constant snacking, water instead of squash most of the time, fewer biscuits/crisps and takeaways less often. I’m not talking about counting calories or anything like that.

Yesterday was actually fairly normal for us which is probably why I’m embarrassed writing it down. Ds1 had 2 slices white toast with butter, then chocolate cereal because apparently the toast wasn’t enough, and a small glass of apple juice. At school he had chicken nuggets, chips and beans, chocolate mousse and water. After school he had crisps, 2 chocolate biscuits and squash. For dinner I made fish and chips at home, battered fish, oven chips and mushy peas rather than getting a takeaway. He refused the fish and peas, ate loads of chips with ketchup then later had a yoghurt and 2 biscuits. Ds2 had chocolate cereal and whole milk, banana, then a cheese sandwich on white bread, crisps and yoghurt. He had grapes and 2 biscuits later.

For dinner ds2 also refused the fish and peas, ate some chips and ketchup then asked for toast. I gave him toast because I didn’t want him going to bed hungry. I’m trying not to automatically make a replacement meal every time they refuse something because otherwise I feel like they’ll never eat anything different, but DH thinks I’m being ridiculous and turning dinner into a battle. He says if they don’t want fish then just give them something they will eat. He also says they’ve always eaten like this and I’m suddenly acting like there’s some huge problem.

The frustrating thing is that I’m the one doing all the food. I’m the one buying fruit that gets ignored, buying vegetables that end up going in the bin and making toast when dinner gets refused. DH is quite happy to criticise the new meals but he’s never actually cooked one. He says I’ve become “food police” and that I’m stressed and sleep deprived and looking for something else to worry about. I don’t think I’m asking him to suddenly diet or never have chips again. I just want him to stop undermining it when I’m trying to change things for all of us, especially when I’m the one who has to actually make the changes happen.

What I want to do isn’t even particularly exciting. Breakfast could be porridge or eggs or toast with fruit rather than chocolate cereal every day. Water or milk as normal drinks, fruit available between meals, one family dinner rather than 2 or 3 alternatives. Some freezer meals obviously because I have a newborn and I’m not pretending I’m going to make everything from scratch. Takeaway maybe once a week rather than several times, sweets and biscuits still allowed but not constantly available, and more dinners with vegetables. I know this sounds incredibly basic and that’s partly why I feel stupid even posting it. I’ve somehow got to the stage where I need to deliberately plan to do what I feel like we should have been doing anyway.

DH thinks I’m overreacting because ds1 is only 5 and ds2 is 2, they’re active enough, they’re growing and children are supposed to have treats. He keeps saying the baby teeth argument means nothing because they fall out anyway. I’m not trying to make them thin and I don’t want them thinking food is something they should feel guilty about. I just don’t want them growing up thinking dinner means chips/nuggets/pizza and that refusing something automatically gets you toast or biscuits instead. But I also know I’m the one who has cooked all this stuff and let the routine get like this, so I’m hardly in a position to blame DH for everything. AIBU to want to completely change what my DC eat when DH thinks I’m making a fuss?

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ImogenBrocklehurst · Yesterday 20:02

you said it yourself, OP: you’re the one doing the food and your partner doesn’t do any cooking. You have control over what your family eats. Good that you’ve recognised things need to change, but maybe introduce change gradually? The BBC Good Food website is a good source of recipes . Good luck.

Peabody25 · Yesterday 19:39

I think it would seem really overwhelming to do a complete overhaul, particularly if DH isn’t on board and with three children, time is obviously precious.

I’d swap breakfast for Cheerios or weetabix and coco pops if they wanted them as a treat on the weekend

lunch keep it to wraps, sandwich in wholemeal bread or a bagel thin with chicken, better quality cheese slices, houmous etc and serve it with raisins, Soreen, apple, banana or some other fruit, and maybe one small sweet thing

tea can still be oven food some days but things like omega three fish fingers, chicken chargrills etc

Can also make homemade pizzas from either naan breads or bought pizza bases and you add toppings,

pasta with pre chopped veg eg peppers, onions, mushrooms whatever else, cooked in a pan, a lot of Heinz sauces are upf free then some grated cheese on top

cheese and tinned tomatoes on toast

sausage mash and beans

Swap pasta for wholewheat pasta, bread for wholemeal bread, no sugary chocolatey cereals, treats are once a week and just a small pack of chocolate buttons or similar, or make homemade biscuits, cornflake cakes, fairy cakes etc.

Ive got a husband who would also eat very similar if left to his own devices so it’s been a slow change but I will tell him as well that if he wants to eat what he wants that’s bad for him, that’s his choice but me and DS won’t be.

ifone · Yesterday 19:38
  1. I think FAR more people eat like this than would care to admit it. These are the foods that are quick, easy, cheap, liked by kids and heavily marketed to us. Us mums are trying to work / house keep / do activities with the kids and it is hard to find the time to cook 3 meals a day.
  1. It is Amazing you've recognised the issue. I've had a recent epiphany that we're over eating junk and it just has to stop. I have a chocolate addiction and the kids always want it when they see it (fair!). We all snack too often. So while main meals can be healthy, I sabotage us.
  1. Your DH sounds like he will be a major obstacle. If he is not on board you are way more likely to fail here. Surely he wants better for his children, himself and you? Would it be worth watching one of those "super size me' or 'UPF Britian' documentaries with him?
  1. Prepare for resistance. You'll probably make nutrutious meals that are totally refused. There will be a big adjustment period, but stay firm. When we get back from a week at my parents, the kids only want cereal and snacks and it is HARD to try and get them back on the porridge.

Good luck! I'm right there with you.

OneNewEagle · Yesterday 19:38

If you buy abd cook the majority of the food just start making changes op. If there’s less junk in the house when your husband steps in to air fry a nugget he might instead have to do pasta and salad.

if he wants to continue eating junk that’s his choice but you and your DC deserve better.

breakfasts eggs on toast, porridge, Weetabix, yoghurt, fruit, occasional treat cereal once a week I’d still pick ones that are nutritious but call it a treat option or marmite peanut butter or healthy choc spread on toast.
lunch at school or homemade meals with lots of veg and salad.
tea if eaten at school homemade soup is the easiest or omelettes baked potato, beans on toast if it’s cold weather. Otherwise sandwich, salad, fruit platter.
snacks yoghurt bowl of fruit on the side
and once a week a treat like sweets crisps that sort of thing.p, bowl of icecream. Treats are still allowed there’s just less of them as they aren’t automatically in the house.

don’t make things harder for yourself but just implement mini changes. I’m surprised the school fed your eldest nuggets and chips. For some kids that would have been their only decent meal of the day so the school should be feeding them better food.

thetinsoldier · Yesterday 19:37

It sounds like you have a lot going on. Your h really needs to step up to do his share while he’s off work, and an important part of that is prepping healthy meals for you all.

you could look at the Eatwell Guide - https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/food-guidelines-and-food-labels/the-eatwell-guide/ And NHS salt guidelines: https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/food-types/salt-in-your-diet/

then maybe check what your dc eat in a typical day. That might scare your h into waking up and being a bit more helpful.

You will really need to be on the same issue with this, though, for it to work.

You’re so doing the right thing. your kids will thank you in the future.

nhs.uk

The Eatwell Guide

Read about the Eatwell Guide, which shows how much of what we eat overall should come from each food group to achieve a healthy, balanced diet.

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/food-guidelines-and-food-labels/the-eatwell-guide/

PermanentlyExhaustedPigeonZZZ · Yesterday 19:06

I'd suggest making small changes rather than wholesale changes. Taste buds take time to adjust.

You could have prepared carrot sticks, cucumber and sugar snap peas in the fridge, cut up apple and babybels which you just put out before dinner. Try to find something protein that they'll eat as a snack.

Normal squash I don't think affects their teeth. So perhaps don't worry about that right away. But if baby teeth need to be removed, which they usually do rather than fill, it can affect the growing in of their adult teeth so it does matter.

If you want to batch cook, I've purchased some cup and half cup size cube 'ice cube' silicone trays. You can pop out the portion you need and they defrost quickly. Like the stocked brand concept but hopefully food they'll eat.

There's an NHS healthy swaps app you could look at. E.g. pretzels or baked crisps instead of normal ones.

Laurmolonlabe · Yesterday 18:52

It's as much about what you don't buy as what you do- don't buy biscuits, cereal,crisps, cookies etc - you DH needs a good talking to, doing no cooking, having no job and buying junk food- not a great combination.
Cook nutritious decent food with plenty of veg and fruit- if you don't have all the junk food in they can't fall back on it.
It will be a battle, they are used to eating rubbish and won't want to change, and you need to read DH the riot act, he is undermining your efforts and not helping at all despite having far more time at his disposal than you.
Your 5 year old may not be fat yet but he is well on his way to getting there- well done for trying to make positive change.

sittingonabeach · Yesterday 18:33

What is DH doing whilst you are doing the morning routine? Surely whilst he is at home he sorts the older boys whilst you sort out the baby. Don’t buy chocolate cereal and other similar foodstuffs

ParkMumForever · Yesterday 18:31

You don’t have to go whole hog all in one go. If they’ve not had eggs /weetabix for breakfast before then they’ll not know what it’s like.
Get some kid friendly knives and they can help chop cucumber etc.
Even if it’s just occasionally it’s a start. 🙂

Yesitsweird · Yesterday 18:30

I haven't read the full thread but how is your unemployed husband paying for takeaways three times a week?

boltmelon · Yesterday 18:21

I usually do the main shop with the practical things like nappies and stuff we need around the house, then the basic food shop as well. DH will then go shopping and come back with crisps, bacon, fizzy drinks and biscuits etc. Don’t get me wrong I do buy biscuits and crisps on the normal shop too, I’m not pretending I don’t, but then he goes and buys MORE of it and the boys obviously see it and ask for it.

He’s not really obese no, he doesn’t seem to gain loads of weight believe it or not. He eats a lot of rubbish but he’s one of those people who doesn’t seem to put much weight on.

He doesn’t go to the dentist for checkups, only when there’s a problem, same with the GP tbh. He thinks if he’s fine then it’s a waste of everyone’s time. I don’t know if he thinks the same about the children’s dentist appointments, maybe he does, but I do all of the booking and taking them. Same with the opticians etc

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maggisimpson · Yesterday 18:21

boltmelon · Yesterday 17:53

He wouldn’t really listen to the health visitor or GP tbh. He’s rejected things the HV has said before and basically just ignores advice if he doesn’t agree with it. I will say some of the advice she gave us about ds2 wasn’t particularly helpful either, especially around his sleep and reflux, so I can understand why he didn’t take everything she said seriously, but it’s more than just that. He tends to just decide he knows best and carries on doing what he wants anyway. I’ve tried saying that even if you don’t agree with all of the advice, you can’t just ignore all of it, but it doesn’t seem to make any difference.

Can you say to him, 'look darling, I know this might be pointless or overkill but it's really, really important to me that the children's diet is different. Even though you don't agree, please could you just support me on this to make me happy?'

LucyBrownCow · Yesterday 18:13

boltmelon · Yesterday 17:53

He wouldn’t really listen to the health visitor or GP tbh. He’s rejected things the HV has said before and basically just ignores advice if he doesn’t agree with it. I will say some of the advice she gave us about ds2 wasn’t particularly helpful either, especially around his sleep and reflux, so I can understand why he didn’t take everything she said seriously, but it’s more than just that. He tends to just decide he knows best and carries on doing what he wants anyway. I’ve tried saying that even if you don’t agree with all of the advice, you can’t just ignore all of it, but it doesn’t seem to make any difference.

One of those, is he? Thinks he knows better than anyone else, including experts in the field. Ugh. People like that are among the most irritating in the world.

I can't imagine that he is particularly healthy himself, if he lives on takeaways, beige food, biscuits, and crisps. And leads a sedentary existence as well. As an adult, he really can't blame the way he grew up either. Children are at the mercy of the food their parents give them. But adults can choose a different path, as you are trying to do @boltmelon

When will your maternity leave end? I hope by that time your DH will be back at work. If he ends up being the sole parent at home, he will probably undo any positive changes you make with your children's diet.

theblame · Yesterday 18:13

If you want meal ideas, amy sheppard on Instagram is good, she also has two cook books
i like dontgobaconmyheart as well, his cookbook is called comfy and his website is great

Sirzy · Yesterday 18:12

The first change I would make is stop buying chocolate cereal. That is one product I would happily ban nobody needs that much sugar at breakfast.

make small changes each week rather than trying to overhaul everything at once

Lmnop22 · Yesterday 18:09

boltmelon · Yesterday 17:53

He wouldn’t really listen to the health visitor or GP tbh. He’s rejected things the HV has said before and basically just ignores advice if he doesn’t agree with it. I will say some of the advice she gave us about ds2 wasn’t particularly helpful either, especially around his sleep and reflux, so I can understand why he didn’t take everything she said seriously, but it’s more than just that. He tends to just decide he knows best and carries on doing what he wants anyway. I’ve tried saying that even if you don’t agree with all of the advice, you can’t just ignore all of it, but it doesn’t seem to make any difference.

Is your DH obese? He may be worried that if you’re eating healthily that he will have to and that might cause him genuine anxiety if he’s additcted to takeaways and junk

Lmnop22 · Yesterday 18:08

When i was trying to make healthier meals for my kids, we tried to eat a different colour vegetable every tea time and they got excited about it and would eat them. And vegetables are pretty easy if you just buy them frozen as you don’t have them going bad before you’ve eaten the whole pack. Carrots, sweetcorn, broccoli, tomato, beetroot, cauliflower, aubergine etc all different colours and easy enough to prepare!

arethereanyleftatall · Yesterday 18:04

Have you ever considered leaving him op? From what you’ve said he doesn’t bring anything positive at all to your childrens lives but maybe there’s stuff you haven’t said?

grinandslothit · Yesterday 18:03

boltmelon · Yesterday 17:53

He wouldn’t really listen to the health visitor or GP tbh. He’s rejected things the HV has said before and basically just ignores advice if he doesn’t agree with it. I will say some of the advice she gave us about ds2 wasn’t particularly helpful either, especially around his sleep and reflux, so I can understand why he didn’t take everything she said seriously, but it’s more than just that. He tends to just decide he knows best and carries on doing what he wants anyway. I’ve tried saying that even if you don’t agree with all of the advice, you can’t just ignore all of it, but it doesn’t seem to make any difference.

Does he go to the dentist or GP himself for checkups?

boltmelon · Yesterday 17:53

Rainallnight · Yesterday 17:39

Would he take advice from anyone else, like the health visitor or the GP?

He wouldn’t really listen to the health visitor or GP tbh. He’s rejected things the HV has said before and basically just ignores advice if he doesn’t agree with it. I will say some of the advice she gave us about ds2 wasn’t particularly helpful either, especially around his sleep and reflux, so I can understand why he didn’t take everything she said seriously, but it’s more than just that. He tends to just decide he knows best and carries on doing what he wants anyway. I’ve tried saying that even if you don’t agree with all of the advice, you can’t just ignore all of it, but it doesn’t seem to make any difference.

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Stickywhitelovepiss · Yesterday 17:47

Read 'Ultra Processed People' by Chris van Tulleken, and have your partner do the same. If that doesn't do it for you both, nothing will.

Rainallnight · Yesterday 17:39

Would he take advice from anyone else, like the health visitor or the GP?

MajorSideEye · Yesterday 17:39

Boltmelon please please don’t feel stupid. You run yourself down a lot in your OP.

I assume this was the diet you were brought up on and are just continuing. BUT you’ve had a wake up call with the dentist and instead of shrugging your shoulders, you’re actually trying to change. That’s amazing! You should be proud of yourself!!

It looks like you’re not winning this “battle” with your OH though which must be upsetting.

Have you tried going about it another way? Looking at all the money you as a family are “wasting” on takeaways. I mean that must taking a HUGE whack of your income, which I assume isn’t that much to begin with, if neither of you are working. Maybe your OH might be a bit more agreeable to diet changes if it means you have more money?

Keep battling OP, this will make a huge difference to your children’s lives and future health.

Daftypants · Yesterday 17:39

This is making me really cross , you have 2 tiny children and one who is still just a little boy !
Husband needs to step up and do some of the cooking or more of the chores , you have enough on your plate .
The dental issues do matter , some of that will be down to incorrect brushing and some will be because of the sugar , especially the juice and squash to drink.
Cut right back on sugary drinks especially.
There are loads of easy or quick dinner suggestions on here already .
Breakfast can be Oatibix or Weetabix , plain yogurt and fruit , toast and eggs .

GameOfJones · Yesterday 17:36

I'm quite shocked by a father saying it doesn't matter if his young children have cavities because they're only baby teeth. I do think that's pretty neglectful I'm sorry to say.

It is good you have recognised there is a problem because there clearly is and I agree with you that you're setting them up to fail if you carry on down this path. Your DH is resisting it because it shines a light on his own poor diet and he's feeling defensive. If nothing else how much are all these takeaways costing if he's not even working? It must be costing you both a fortune!

I do think there's a balance to be had but we aim for 80% whole food and I don't worry about the other 20%. As an example my young DDs have today eaten porridge with cinnamon and chopped plum for breakfast, we went to a café this morning and they had a danish pastry there then played on the park, lunch was cheese on toast (homemade seeded bread) and tomatoes, dinner is homemade beef and broccoli with rice. Desserts are fruit or yoghurt with no added sugar.

For some simple swaps..... Little Stars nuggets at Tesco in the frozen aisle are no junk and the chicken is blended with hidden veg. You can make cookies just by mashing bananas and adding oats and cinnamon or sesame seeds if you want them.

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