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Living next to asylum seeker HMO, ask me anything

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JapanesePotWeed · 24/09/2026 20:28

As the title says. I live in a Victorian mid-terrace, wall-to-wall, garden-to-garden with an asylum seeker dispersal HMO. They were moved in nearly two years ago, replacing a multi-generation family that were living there before.
There is another HMO directly opposite my house, where asylum seekers get rooms once they are approved to remain but don't have an income to support themselves.

Not AIBU but more like AMA. I'm wondering what people would ask me if they really could ask anything. Does anyone actually want to know what it is like? I hear a lot of political point scoring in the media regarding this topic but no one actually talks to people like me!

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5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 09:21

poetryandwine · 25/09/2026 14:50

If their claim is not granted they exist in a kind of half acknowledged existence. They rely on the kindness of charities, except when they have an active appeal ( and are classified as asylum seekers)

Refused asylum seekers have No Recourse to Public Funds, no right to employment, no access to housing ( except through the kindness of others) no access to the banking system, etc. They can access only primary NHS care (ie register with a GP, receive vaccinations, etc).

There is some access to education, which is a human right. Families with young children may receive further assistance.

Where on earth did you get the idea that ‘most’ refused asylum seekers are eligible for UC?

Refused asylum seekers shouldn't be in the country. They should be deported. They certainly shouldn't get access to any of our services and resources including GP appointments.

JapanesePotWeed · 25/09/2026 22:17

Pumpkindice · 25/09/2026 22:00

I'll look forward to tomorrow's update where you start telling us how much each of your neighbours weighed at birth, the story behind their names and exactly how many of our good British women they've slept with, just to get everyone that bit more frothy. It's Friday night Mumsnet ofc.

The story behind names could be a nice thing to ask actually. It is something they nearly always ask me.
We don't talk about sex and I try to steer conversations away from relationships generally. I always remind them that I'm "old" even if I look much younger and that I have a teenager. Seems to work just fine.

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JapanesePotWeed · 25/09/2026 22:03

@MustTryHarderAndHarder
They clean their house. I can hear the hoover and the washing machines going. They seem quite tidy but the garden is treated in a very different way. Lots of cooking from scratch and it smells very tasty 🙂

I'm just about hanging onto my 30s.
I have a son who mostly stays with his dad as I don't want him to be around all the drug activity (asylum seekers play only a small part) and think it is normal.

The root to all the current issues was laid 20 years ago when masses of houses were converted for student use. I arrived to see the worst of the decline with the Supported Accommodation (addicts, criminals) and Asylum Contracts replacing the students.

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Pumpkindice · 25/09/2026 22:00

JapanesePotWeed · 25/09/2026 21:52

AHH..just go away. You don't have to be here with your nonsense.

I'll look forward to tomorrow's update where you start telling us how much each of your neighbours weighed at birth, the story behind their names and exactly how many of our good British women they've slept with, just to get everyone that bit more frothy. It's Friday night Mumsnet ofc.

Uset · 25/09/2026 21:56

Feel sorry for you op

Maomee · 25/09/2026 21:54

JapanesePotWeed · 25/09/2026 21:50

@MustTryHarderAndHarder

It's just that case workers are nearly always these young, kind women who lay all sorts of housing and charity help options out and then they very calmly accept whatever nonsense arguments come back. Like there was a man being offered a 1 bedroom flat (I don't know the context why) but he kept on shouting that he wants a "whole house". She then tried to explain it is "all to himself" but he still insisted on a house!
She was so lovely and accommodating that I had to remove myself before I shout over :shut the fuck up with the whining and take the bloody flat!!! I'm wondering what the interpreter would make of that 😂

It just stresses me out the case/care workers bending over backwards...Because I have been homeless myself with a small child after domestic violence. I walked into a dirty house with no bed sheets, no internet, no cutlery, no food and with no money. I was told to go to a food bank if I have nothing, and my god was I reminded every week that I have to get out asap or I'll get charged a nightly rate and get in debt.

Gets to me that seemingly these men get treated better than homeless children. Just hits on a personal note.

Working in a different support role of similar people, I can confirm that the spoonfeeding is on a different level

JapanesePotWeed · 25/09/2026 21:52

Pumpkindice · 25/09/2026 21:50

I've lived in dodgy house shares, long before HMO rules, and I haven't accidentally overheard as many conversations as you have OP, or read as much personal documentation as you have, or had people tell me so much about their life history, despite ten residents sharing a single kitchen. It's really quite remarkable, unbelievable almost. Well, not almost. Just the first bit.

AHH..just go away. You don't have to be here with your nonsense.

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JapanesePotWeed · 25/09/2026 21:50

@MustTryHarderAndHarder

It's just that case workers are nearly always these young, kind women who lay all sorts of housing and charity help options out and then they very calmly accept whatever nonsense arguments come back. Like there was a man being offered a 1 bedroom flat (I don't know the context why) but he kept on shouting that he wants a "whole house". She then tried to explain it is "all to himself" but he still insisted on a house!
She was so lovely and accommodating that I had to remove myself before I shout over :shut the fuck up with the whining and take the bloody flat!!! I'm wondering what the interpreter would make of that 😂

It just stresses me out the case/care workers bending over backwards...Because I have been homeless myself with a small child after domestic violence. I walked into a dirty house with no bed sheets, no internet, no cutlery, no food and with no money. I was told to go to a food bank if I have nothing, and my god was I reminded every week that I have to get out asap or I'll get charged a nightly rate and get in debt.

Gets to me that seemingly these men get treated better than homeless children. Just hits on a personal note.

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Pumpkindice · 25/09/2026 21:50

JapanesePotWeed · 25/09/2026 18:27

I've read some comments where posters clearly don't seem to understand the level of proximity I have!
That shared alley, for example,is not fenced off from their garden. If I go in there, I'm basically in their garden. That is why I never take my bins out at night, only at 7am in the morning.
I can hear all the conversations at the back. I can hear everything in my house. I can hear when their phone vibrates and gets a text. I check if it was mine 😂
I can hear the alley door every time it opens and closes.
When they speak with case workers, they often use an interpreter over the phone. So I can hear things translated into English and I won't even go into what I've heard there, not to aggravate anyone.

This is the problem : the posh people pissing about whining about asylum seekers in military barracks somewhere two fields away... Whilst I'm disbelieved and told to shut up and love my neighbours whilst I'm practically sharing my showers with them all 😂
The Bourgeois loons!

I've lived in dodgy house shares, long before HMO rules, and I haven't accidentally overheard as many conversations as you have OP, or read as much personal documentation as you have, or had people tell me so much about their life history, despite ten residents sharing a single kitchen. It's really quite remarkable, unbelievable almost. Well, not almost. Just the first bit.

MustTryHarderAndHarder · 25/09/2026 21:08

So I can hear things translated into English and I won't even go into what I've heard there, not to aggravate anyone

What you mean by this? Who would it aggravate?

Who cleans the houses? Do the tenants have to clean them themselves.

Do you mind me asking what sort of age you are?

Also, did all your neighbors sell up at the same time or was it gradually over a few years?

I really feel for what you are going through. There are lots of petitions at the moment in in an area near me in Hertfordshire called Potter's Bar where lots of houses have been turned into hmos.

JapanesePotWeed · 25/09/2026 21:00

I have another 3 or 5 years to go, depending on the MEARS contract. I'll update in another couple of years on how it's going and if THE WALL was built 😀

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JapanesePotWeed · 25/09/2026 20:25

LifeIsAMeatball · 25/09/2026 20:12

I would be asking to see their risk assessment around this. Ask enough awkward questions and they will build your wall.

Thank you. Will try!

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LifeIsAMeatball · 25/09/2026 20:12

JapanesePotWeed · 24/09/2026 22:19

I've screwed the hatch shut for the time being but I'll have to go and build a stud wall up there.

I would be asking to see their risk assessment around this. Ask enough awkward questions and they will build your wall.

SadieandLucy · 25/09/2026 20:03

CremeDeMure · 25/09/2026 12:22

Whoever they were, they weren't British.

They certainly were British, I am still friends with the Colonel and his wife. Why do you think that you can read something and it will automatically be truer than someone who was there at the time? They were a British Army Training Team. Don't say "well they weren't "proper" British Army" because I think they would be very pissed off with you as they were.

JapanesePotWeed · 25/09/2026 20:03

poetryandwine · 25/09/2026 18:50

I think everyone is quite worried for you, OP. Your situation is both awful and unfair. Housing standards need to be raised and dispersal needs to be widespread. My MC neighbourhood ought to house a few asylum seekers. We have a nice B&B in the area, not too big.

Do you think proper enforcement would make a difference?

Yes, more of an oversight would definitely help.
Honestly, NO ONE comes round for months on end to check on them.
And it would be very nice to be given a contact number for someone in MEARS to report a concern. If their house floods mine or I have a noise or rubbish complaint, I have completely no one to contact. I have to wait for the things to get bad enough for the Environmental Health to get involved.

All that talk about "keeping communities involved and neighbours informed" is complete bollocks.

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JapanesePotWeed · 25/09/2026 19:52

@Whoopiedooo Thanks for posting OP. Do they seem to be friendly between themselves when of apparently different nationalities, and do other asylum seekers come to visit and party with them?
What do your other neighbours think?

No one had asked this yet. Doesn't look to me like they get on very well if there is any chance of a cultural clash! I think that's been understood now so the contractors try to house East Africans mostly together. The younger lads from Eritrea and Sudan seem to get on grand - like a student house! There was an older Afghani man with them and the arguments were going off all the time. A lot of shouting and swearing! The Afghani bloke was quite a bit of a pain for me too - he liked VERY loud Islamic kind of music but he was probably doing that to annoy his housemates. He was then rehoused somewhere to have a "place to himself" (said by the interpreter).
Yes, they do get visitors. With cars sometimes. Some seem to tap right into some kind of existing network

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DownToTheGround · 25/09/2026 19:10

5MinuteArgument · 25/09/2026 17:27

Refugees have 'priority need' for social housing. So that means someone else is pushed further down the queue.

That's all lovely if you're not the ones affected by it like the hundreds of thousands of British people who have been on the waiting list for years.

TBF working with refugees in my area, social/council housing was off the table completely due to the unrest this would cause locally.

The Home Office have a cap on the rental amount. This cap did not meet local private rental costs in the area.
Local networks were used to find landlords that were prepared to accept lower rents.
In a few cases, these were very large houses where more than one family were housed. This meant the cost per family, multiplied by the four families living there fell within the cap.
Other cheap housing found was pretty undesirable (poor quality, rural).

There were also some landlords who accepted a lower rent for altruistic reasons too.

DownToTheGround · 25/09/2026 18:50

5MinuteArgument · 25/09/2026 17:42

So many companies making big bucks out of the asylum racket. Making fools of the British taxpayers along with it.

Privatisation is what the Conservative government wanted. Deprive LA’s of cash and there is no option but for them to buy privately to meet their statutory duties.

As I said, not just in the asylum system (though this isn’t LA money but directly Home Office funded), but with adult social care, children with SEND, care of the elderly, housing etc etc.

LA’s starved of money have little choice but to buy in the staff and services in the short term as they cannot fund it in the long term.

poetryandwine · 25/09/2026 18:50

JapanesePotWeed · 25/09/2026 18:27

I've read some comments where posters clearly don't seem to understand the level of proximity I have!
That shared alley, for example,is not fenced off from their garden. If I go in there, I'm basically in their garden. That is why I never take my bins out at night, only at 7am in the morning.
I can hear all the conversations at the back. I can hear everything in my house. I can hear when their phone vibrates and gets a text. I check if it was mine 😂
I can hear the alley door every time it opens and closes.
When they speak with case workers, they often use an interpreter over the phone. So I can hear things translated into English and I won't even go into what I've heard there, not to aggravate anyone.

This is the problem : the posh people pissing about whining about asylum seekers in military barracks somewhere two fields away... Whilst I'm disbelieved and told to shut up and love my neighbours whilst I'm practically sharing my showers with them all 😂
The Bourgeois loons!

I think everyone is quite worried for you, OP. Your situation is both awful and unfair. Housing standards need to be raised and dispersal needs to be widespread. My MC neighbourhood ought to house a few asylum seekers. We have a nice B&B in the area, not too big.

Do you think proper enforcement would make a difference?

poetryandwine · 25/09/2026 18:46

Dmsandfloatydress · 25/09/2026 17:23

When I was working in the hotels it wasnt unusual for families to be in them for more than a year and those figures are correct. Pregnant women would get an additional £7 or so a week and babies a little extra too.

Thank you. It’s a sign of problems with the system, I suppose.

Bogstandardname · 25/09/2026 18:42

I have to stop reading this thread. It's making me so angry. OP, you have my sympathies. 🌹

JapanesePotWeed · 25/09/2026 18:27

I've read some comments where posters clearly don't seem to understand the level of proximity I have!
That shared alley, for example,is not fenced off from their garden. If I go in there, I'm basically in their garden. That is why I never take my bins out at night, only at 7am in the morning.
I can hear all the conversations at the back. I can hear everything in my house. I can hear when their phone vibrates and gets a text. I check if it was mine 😂
I can hear the alley door every time it opens and closes.
When they speak with case workers, they often use an interpreter over the phone. So I can hear things translated into English and I won't even go into what I've heard there, not to aggravate anyone.

This is the problem : the posh people pissing about whining about asylum seekers in military barracks somewhere two fields away... Whilst I'm disbelieved and told to shut up and love my neighbours whilst I'm practically sharing my showers with them all 😂
The Bourgeois loons!

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5MinuteArgument · 25/09/2026 18:23

Dmsandfloatydress · 25/09/2026 18:11

Actually ,its only families and the elderly that go to the top of the council house queue. The single men do not qualify for priority need. They often end up sofa surfing for years or staying with friends already in the country. No one comes without a plan unless they are significantly unwell.
Thats not to say its not massively unfair that new arrivals get housed in sought after housing ahead of uk citizens. in fact I think council Housing should be reserved for UK citizens only as this would reduce tensions and its manifestly unfair , the way it is now. I believe we allow this because of our class based society . Middle class people dont want or need social housing so it doesnt impact them and they despise the working classes. I even saw an article in The Guardian that suggested that all asylum seekers should be housing in council houses to stop the use of hotel. i didnt know whether to laugh or cry!!

Yes, I agree, it's totally unfair on the least well off people who are already on the housing list.

Also, there are some councils who include single male refugees in their priority allocation for housing, Glasgow City Council for one. Needless to say it's gone down like a lead balloon and it's stoked a lot of anger in the community.

PamelaShipman80 · 25/09/2026 18:22

poetryandwine · 25/09/2026 00:07

That £200 per month of pocket money includes food, clothing, toiletries and transport.

Do you really think this sounds lush, OP?

£200 for 1 person a month to spend on food, clothing and toiletries (why do they need to spend on travel if they aren’t working?) is more per person than I can afford to spend on my own family.

5MinuteArgument · 25/09/2026 18:14

Lucyslocket · 25/09/2026 17:31

Despite having all endured the dreadful events you speak of, they are not too traumatised to make their way through several safe countries and have enough money available to pay traffickers to get them to UK.
I'm sure that if I was in such a position, I'd be very glad to stop in the first safe country that accepted me and didn't want to kill me or abuse me. To Hell with the fact that I couldn't speak the language - I'd jolly well learn !

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Yes, exactly. This shows the whole thing is a complete racket. It's big business, and the criminal gangs are laughing at us, their clients paying big bucks to get out of France and into soft touch Britain.

It's a million miles away from the refugees of WW2 where women, children and the elderly fled for their lives with not a single able-bodied young male among them.

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