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Living next to asylum seeker HMO, ask me anything

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JapanesePotWeed · 24/09/2026 20:28

As the title says. I live in a Victorian mid-terrace, wall-to-wall, garden-to-garden with an asylum seeker dispersal HMO. They were moved in nearly two years ago, replacing a multi-generation family that were living there before.
There is another HMO directly opposite my house, where asylum seekers get rooms once they are approved to remain but don't have an income to support themselves.

Not AIBU but more like AMA. I'm wondering what people would ask me if they really could ask anything. Does anyone actually want to know what it is like? I hear a lot of political point scoring in the media regarding this topic but no one actually talks to people like me!

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Lacksie · Today 08:19

JapanesePotWeed · 24/09/2026 21:53

You'll be glad to hear that they are VERY proficient in languages! In fact English knowledge is the weak point.
I've spoken to some of the men from both houses and many of them speak languages from the countries they've been in before.
I've learned a lot about how they move around Europe. The favourite countries are Germany (many speak German and they even have German language set on their phones), Denmark and England. Denmark is falling out of favour due to political changes, so it's Germany and England left. They really dislike France and Paris (yeah, I get that one). 😅

Living next to an HMO always has its downsides, but at least this one sounds to be a very interesting and culturally enriching experience ☺️.

Branleuse · Today 08:01

bluewanda · Yesterday 22:33

I presume your “friend” didn’t buy this house to rent to refugees next door or even on the same street as her own home? Just inflicted it on another (no doubt poorer) street instead while raking in the cash.

I think she initially rented to students as it's mostly student lets down there.
Why do you think it's being inflicted on people? They haven't caused any trouble to the neighbours

poetryandwine · Today 07:49

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 21:33

You said you'd be happy if 'a few' asylum seekers were housed in your nice middle class area. But places like Bolton, Burnley Birmingham and Glasgow are dealing with a lot more than 'a few' and poorer people in poorer neighbourhoods are less insulated from the problems all this brings.

I understand that it's well-meaning but it can come over as quite complacent.

And the concentration of asylum seekers is wrong. They should be properly dispersed.

bluewanda · Yesterday 22:41

It’s awful that exploitative landlords are buying up homes to house vulnerable people without adequate support and charging councils a fortune. Like someone earlier said, councils are paying these people thousands of pounds to rent properties they once owned themselves - it’s madness.

bluewanda · Yesterday 22:33

Branleuse · 25/09/2026 09:55

If there is a refugee action charity in your area, it would probably be worth speaking to them and asking if they have any interpreters or people from their community who could talk to them about the issues you are feeling.

A friend of mine who currently rents to refugees did have to get some help with explaining to tenants about importance of certain things like smoking indoors and a few cultural differences, and luckily my friends husband who is native Arabic speaker and been here decades was able to explain to them better and the problem resolved.

I think you get similar issues with a lot of HMOs whether that's students or refugees or anyone tbh.

I presume your “friend” didn’t buy this house to rent to refugees next door or even on the same street as her own home? Just inflicted it on another (no doubt poorer) street instead while raking in the cash.

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 21:33

poetryandwine · Yesterday 20:58

I am fine with asylum seekers. I don’t feel a compulsion to live near them, any more than I feel a compulsion to live near football players, musicians, doctors, chefs or Swedish people.

I haven’t offered members of any of these groups a free room either.

You said you'd be happy if 'a few' asylum seekers were housed in your nice middle class area. But places like Bolton, Burnley Birmingham and Glasgow are dealing with a lot more than 'a few' and poorer people in poorer neighbourhoods are less insulated from the problems all this brings.

I understand that it's well-meaning but it can come over as quite complacent.

poetryandwine · Yesterday 20:58

Dragonscaledaisy · Yesterday 18:47

The use of the term 'virtue signalling' related to the claim that you would like asylum seekers in the area in which you live, yet have done nothing to facilitate that.

I am fine with asylum seekers. I don’t feel a compulsion to live near them, any more than I feel a compulsion to live near football players, musicians, doctors, chefs or Swedish people.

I haven’t offered members of any of these groups a free room either.

poetryandwine · Yesterday 20:20

Dragonscaledaisy · Yesterday 18:56

Unfortunately, that's incorrect. Unsuccessful claims are frequently reversed at the time of a second decision due to errors made at the time of the initial decision.

The proportion of successful appeals has not fallen as sharply, but it has also fallen and continues to fall.

Winter2020 · Yesterday 19:48

poetryandwine · Yesterday 18:52

No, the proportion of claims that are successful is also falling sharply. AI has pulled data from HMG for me showing that in the year ending March 2026 around 40% f claims were successful (Labour government).

The peak year for successful claims was 2022 when 77-79% of claims were successful (Tory government).

So Labour has cut the rate of successful claims nearly in half, from the Tory peak.

Well then unsuccessful claims are rarely deported - hence the 4% of small boat arrivals being removed detailed above.

Accepted or denied the vast majority of arrivals are going nowhere.

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 19:33

Dragonscaledaisy · Yesterday 18:56

Unfortunately, that's incorrect. Unsuccessful claims are frequently reversed at the time of a second decision due to errors made at the time of the initial decision.

Exactly, and if we have an acceptance rate that's approx double the rate of France (initial applications granted plus those granted on appeal) then guess what? The asylum seekers will come, they're not stupid.

Macron has told us this already.

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 19:20

poetryandwine · Yesterday 18:52

No, the proportion of claims that are successful is also falling sharply. AI has pulled data from HMG for me showing that in the year ending March 2026 around 40% f claims were successful (Labour government).

The peak year for successful claims was 2022 when 77-79% of claims were successful (Tory government).

So Labour has cut the rate of successful claims nearly in half, from the Tory peak.

I expect this figure relates to initial applications only. Initial applications need to be added to claims decided on appeal. The 'success' rate is much higher than 40% and it's disingenuous to only quote figures for initial applications when we know so many asylum claims are granted on appeal.

Pumpkindice · Yesterday 19:09

Dragonscaledaisy · Yesterday 18:47

The use of the term 'virtue signalling' related to the claim that you would like asylum seekers in the area in which you live, yet have done nothing to facilitate that.

How do you know the poster has done nothing? Or are you deliberately pretending that you think the only way someone can support asylum seekers is by personally housing them?

It's such a stupid argument that I see trotted out on these boards all the time. People pay taxes, and vote, and support organisations that are well equipped to provide the support..

I bet you'd claim that you support our good ol' homegrown British pensioners, but by your own logic you've done nothing about them unless you've converted your house into a nursing home.

poetryandwine · Yesterday 18:58

Dragonscaledaisy · Yesterday 18:54

The backlog has been 'cleared' by failing to process a substantial number of applications correctly. This has been highlighted in the UN report that highlighted the alarming failings of the UK asylum system under Labour.

"The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) published a critical audit revealing a rapid, record-breaking decline in the quality standards of asylum decision-making."

Here's a lay summary of the issues
www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/stay-informed/articles/home-office-asylum-decisions-seeing-significant-decline-in-quality/

This is a valid concern. It is important to note that there have been bad decisions in both directions.

However the Home Office has fully accepted most of the recommendations for improvements in the UN report and partially accepted the others.

Dragonscaledaisy · Yesterday 18:56

poetryandwine · Yesterday 18:52

No, the proportion of claims that are successful is also falling sharply. AI has pulled data from HMG for me showing that in the year ending March 2026 around 40% f claims were successful (Labour government).

The peak year for successful claims was 2022 when 77-79% of claims were successful (Tory government).

So Labour has cut the rate of successful claims nearly in half, from the Tory peak.

Unfortunately, that's incorrect. Unsuccessful claims are frequently reversed at the time of a second decision due to errors made at the time of the initial decision.

Dragonscaledaisy · Yesterday 18:54

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 18:25

Yes, the backlog is falling, probably because they're rubber stamping them. How do you speed up decision making? You allow, allow, allow. I used to work in something similar and that's how it works.

However this is not what the public wants. And clearing the backlog like this is actually another pull factor.

The backlog has been 'cleared' by failing to process a substantial number of applications correctly. This has been highlighted in the UN report that highlighted the alarming failings of the UK asylum system under Labour.

"The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) published a critical audit revealing a rapid, record-breaking decline in the quality standards of asylum decision-making."

Here's a lay summary of the issues
www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/stay-informed/articles/home-office-asylum-decisions-seeing-significant-decline-in-quality/

poetryandwine · Yesterday 18:52

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 18:25

Yes, the backlog is falling, probably because they're rubber stamping them. How do you speed up decision making? You allow, allow, allow. I used to work in something similar and that's how it works.

However this is not what the public wants. And clearing the backlog like this is actually another pull factor.

No, the proportion of claims that are successful is also falling sharply. AI has pulled data from HMG for me showing that in the year ending March 2026 around 40% f claims were successful (Labour government).

The peak year for successful claims was 2022 when 77-79% of claims were successful (Tory government).

So Labour has cut the rate of successful claims nearly in half, from the Tory peak.

Dragonscaledaisy · Yesterday 18:47

poetryandwine · Yesterday 18:17

A response to a deliberately provocative comment is not virtue signalling.

The use of the term 'virtue signalling' related to the claim that you would like asylum seekers in the area in which you live, yet have done nothing to facilitate that.

Pumpkindice · Yesterday 18:31

Winter2020 · Yesterday 17:53

How many men granted asylum for being gay later apply to bring their wife and kids? That would be an interesting freedom of information statistic.

As I said, I've never once come across someone claiming asylum on the basis of their sexuality. That's not to say it doesn't ever happen, but I don't believe the previous poster who is claiming that it's a very common abuse of the system and that 99% of claims are fake.

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 18:25

poetryandwine · Yesterday 18:20

The peak backlog on deciding asylum claims was 134,000. This was reached in June 2023. The backlog is now under 40,000 and falling.

Yes, the backlog is falling, probably because they're rubber stamping them. How do you speed up decision making? You allow, allow, allow. I used to work in something similar and that's how it works.

However this is not what the public wants. And clearing the backlog like this is actually another pull factor.

poetryandwine · Yesterday 18:20

Dragonscaledaisy · Yesterday 18:06

Not really - merely spin. Numbers soared under the Labour government and remain far higher than in 2023. Essentially, the government is now trying to fix a problem they created.

The peak backlog on deciding asylum claims was 134,000. This was reached in June 2023. The backlog is now under 40,000 and falling.

poetryandwine · Yesterday 18:17

Dragonscaledaisy · Yesterday 18:01

Ah, the usual virtual signalling from the average middle - so rife on MN and so predictable.

A response to a deliberately provocative comment is not virtue signalling.

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 18:12

The % of asylum claims granted by the UK is roughly double that of France, when adding appeals to initial applications. That's one of the pull factors which Macron talked about.

However, we know how active the immigration lawyers are in fighting to enable their clients to stay in the UK even if they are rapists, murderers and drug dealers. Another thread detailed the activities of Garden Court lawyers in particular. There's a lot of money in this game.

Dragonscaledaisy · Yesterday 18:06

DownToTheGround · Yesterday 16:56

But nevertheless more asylum seekers being returned than last year (39,000). So an improving picture.

Not really - merely spin. Numbers soared under the Labour government and remain far higher than in 2023. Essentially, the government is now trying to fix a problem they created.

Dragonscaledaisy · Yesterday 18:01

poetryandwine · Yesterday 15:13

I am comfortable with the level of charitable support DH and I provide, thanks very much. I would show the same level of welcome to asylum seekers as to anyone else in my ‘naice’ village, and stand up for them in the event of trouble.

One cannot be all things to all people.

Ah, the usual virtual signalling from the average middle - so rife on MN and so predictable.

Winter2020 · Yesterday 17:53

Pumpkindice · Yesterday 17:50

I've worked with a lot of asylum seekers. Never yet come across one that has provided these reasons. In my role I see the record of information that is given at the initial interview, so I'm not just basing it on their word either.

How many men granted asylum for being gay later apply to bring their wife and kids? That would be an interesting freedom of information statistic.

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