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That it's a massive waste of time, effort, money, lives and we should just bring them over by coach and ferry.

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Ablondiebutagoody · 24/09/2026 16:03

I have just watched the video from earlier today/yesterday of a migrant boat departing Boulogne. The one where the Dad (presumably) ditches his toddler in the sea in order to get onto the boat. The kid was instantly picked up by French emergency workers and it struck me that this whole situation is completely bizarre.

There were approximately half a dozen lifeguards around the boat on jet skis and paddle boards, probably also a load of police out of frame. The boat will then be shadowed by French coastguard vessels until halfway across the channel, at which point border force/RNLI will pick them up and bring them to the UK. They will then be greated by coaches, a couple of hundred riot police and some (redacted by MNHQ) before continuing to their destination.

AIBU to think that this is all a total farce and we should simply provide the coaches from the outset?

YABU - The current arrangement is best.

YANBU - Coach and ferry would be better for everyone.

OP posts:
Whatifitallgoesright · 25/09/2026 12:51

I think we're doing our fair share don't you?

That it's a massive waste of time, effort, money, lives and we should just bring them over by coach and ferry.
ElectoralControversy · 25/09/2026 12:42

BrezhnevsLuxuriantEyebrows · 25/09/2026 00:18

Personally, I don't have any problem with them as individuals: people are people and you get good and bad folk from all countries and cultures.

It's just that, if I wanted to move to another country and make it my new home, I would pay them the very basic respect of applying and organising it through the legitimate channels.

i certainly would not save up a lot of money and give it all to criminal gangs to send me over there in a dangerous boat, expecting to turn up on their shores, announce my arrival and be welcomed right on in.

What legitimate channels?

You can't apply for asylum from outside the UK
Hence all...this

Allseeingallknowing · 25/09/2026 12:30

3wouldbegood · 24/09/2026 18:49

Don't know about coach and ferry, OP, but having ways in which people could apply for asylum safely and legally would reduce the unsafe crossings hugely.

The point is, people don’t want ANY irregular crossings , by whatever method!

NancyThompson · 25/09/2026 12:24

GarlicSomething · 25/09/2026 12:07

I've just seen the video. That man did not throw a child from a boat, he was in the water with the child on his shoulders. Child was wearing a flotation vest. When he got near to the boat, he saw how unsafe it was. He laid the child on the water, face up, and slid her/him over to the nearest rescue worker.

Heartbreaking but the child was never out of adult care. The boat was a crowded inflatable dinghy with people hanging off the sides.

He left the child behind in his haste to get on the dinghy though. Not concerned enough to actually stay with his child or indeed see if he/she was alive or dead.

Just seeya, off to Blighty, bonne chance nipper!

GarlicSomething · 25/09/2026 12:07

I've just seen the video. That man did not throw a child from a boat, he was in the water with the child on his shoulders. Child was wearing a flotation vest. When he got near to the boat, he saw how unsafe it was. He laid the child on the water, face up, and slid her/him over to the nearest rescue worker.

Heartbreaking but the child was never out of adult care. The boat was a crowded inflatable dinghy with people hanging off the sides.

FancyLilacHare · 25/09/2026 11:57

The OP's proposition is perfectly reasonable if the aim is to even more actively encourage people with no legal or moral right to enter the UK illegally and live at the expense of taxpayers who have consistently voted against this situation

If that's not your aim then it's a bad proposition.

notanothergecko · 25/09/2026 11:44

This thread makes me agree that the migrants actually do need to be spread out over every postcode. People are never going to agree and will continue to have such polarising views when they’re experiences are just so different.

pelamo · 25/09/2026 11:43

Allseeingallknowing · 25/09/2026 11:37

Er….again , you haven’t thought this through? Professionals? Highly unlikely!

There is a slight tongue in my cheek I'll admit. But I recall reading somewhere that many AS are professionals from war torn lands who have enormous skills and we should welcome them with open arms in order to help our economy .

Visas cost a lot of money and time/admin and they are not always approved. By claiming asylum one could arrive, be processed, live and be supported here, and eventually achieve refugee status and settle with a professional job. I don't know what the non professional cohort will do, but a work visa is never going to happen for them anyway, is it. So that's one reason they come via the boat route I reckon.

I'm making no judgement, just wryly musing.

TwinklyAmberSloth · 25/09/2026 11:40

Ablondiebutagoody · 24/09/2026 20:55

That's my point though. There isn't any border control. It seems that anybody who can scrape a couple of grand together can jump on a boat and be escorted here at great effort and expense by the French and UK Governments. Why not cut out the whole English Channel charade and let the migrants get a coach from France instead?

Because they have no right whatsoever to come here.

We are a small island and already over populated and are so reliant on imports already.

France have over double the land we do and the same population. In fact countries like Poland and Slovakia have even lower population densities, and Spain has a tiny population density!! Perfectly safe countries!

We already have programs that bring over genuine refuges safely to this country. People who have lost their home due to conflict and deserve to be safe.

These are not refugees on these boats. They are economic migrants. They are not coming from unsafe countries.

The fact that they are risking their lives to cross the sea must mean that what is on offer here is worth the risk. That offer needs to be removed. Coming to the UK illegally needs to be something with no attractive pull whatsoever.

Allseeingallknowing · 25/09/2026 11:37

pelamo · 25/09/2026 11:34

I admitted that! But every problem has a solution, and with all the money sloshing around accommodating the AS at the moment, some could be diverted to make a state of the art processing centre on a (soon to be) uninhabited island.

Appoint some of the professionals that we are told make up a big cohort to work there for payment of course. All that talent could be put to good use, doctors, lawyers, teachers, translators, engineers, draughtsmen, architects, chefs, and so on. Then they will then have a great CV for the day they are granted refugee status.

Er….again , you haven’t thought this through? Professionals? Highly unlikely!

pelamo · 25/09/2026 11:34

Allseeingallknowing · 25/09/2026 11:21

And how will they be looked after on that island? Staffing, Accommodation, medical care , schooling etc. You haven’t thought this through have you?

I admitted that! But every problem has a solution, and with all the money sloshing around accommodating the AS at the moment, some could be diverted to make a state of the art processing centre on a (soon to be) uninhabited island.

Appoint some of the professionals that we are told make up a big cohort to work there for payment of course. All that talent could be put to good use, doctors, lawyers, teachers, translators, engineers, draughtsmen, architects, chefs, and so on. Then they will then have a great CV for the day they are granted refugee status.

JHound · 25/09/2026 11:31

MaturingCheeseball · 25/09/2026 11:19

Just saw that in Sweden it’s been found that 80% of those who claimed asylum have been travelling back and forth to their home countries.

I am going to claim asylum in Primrose Hill - because it’s nicer than where I live now.

I think even unsafe countries have safe parts. I was surprised that a friend of mine has just been in Ukraine for work!

JHound · 25/09/2026 11:30

loulouljh · 25/09/2026 11:10

They should not be here at all./ What other country can you come into like this? It is an utter joke...although completely unfunny.

It happens in a lot of countries. Well desirable ones but all countries have irregular migrants. The rest just arrive by plane and simply never leave.

I don’t know how we eradicate that issue.

Allseeingallknowing · 25/09/2026 11:29

pelamo · 24/09/2026 20:20

I often wonder what exactly is the pull factor in the UK, as opposed to asylum in France? Is it the fact that UK is English speaking, do the migrants have contacts with relatives already here, is the absence of a National ID card a way to avoid detection for crimes, and out of reach of Europol etc., is it the hard sell of the traffickers that UK is heaven on earth and you must pay to get there. What?

Anyone know, or any other theories? France is a very nice country to live in I would have thought. But if migrants don't think so, well then the UK might have to look at why that is.

Not surprised why they come here!
Not the language as millions are spent on interpreting
All their needs are met, accommodation, medical,clothing, entertainment , social, plus opportunities to work in the black economy.
Opportunities to bring over other family members to be a drain on the state.
Why wouldn’t they come?

Allseeingallknowing · 25/09/2026 11:23

Do people still think there are professionals, doctors, teachers, scientists etc coming over on these boats? It’s laughable. There may be the odd one, but the majority will be economic migrants.

Allseeingallknowing · 25/09/2026 11:21

pelamo · 24/09/2026 20:49

A processing centre, or centres where background checks are done, and detention until the asylum claim is approved etc. But where?

I have a daft idea (yes I will be mocked and worse...), An island off the coast of Britain. Think of one or more that are sparsely populated, not easy to get to, and then hugely incentivise pay the inhabitants to leave and set up home on the mainland, all expenses paid. Then put all the asylum seekers there instead of Rwanda.

It would be economical in the long run.

Ok, I'm ducking down now.

And how will they be looked after on that island? Staffing, Accommodation, medical care , schooling etc. You haven’t thought this through have you?

MaturingCheeseball · 25/09/2026 11:19

Just saw that in Sweden it’s been found that 80% of those who claimed asylum have been travelling back and forth to their home countries.

I am going to claim asylum in Primrose Hill - because it’s nicer than where I live now.

NancyThompson · 25/09/2026 11:18

whoopsnomore · 25/09/2026 10:31

Thanks for interviewing everyone and assessing their claims, Nancy

Ask this whistleblower, not me

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/one-in-100-asylum-claims-are-real-whistleblower-claims-d8768mjnx

Verifying Device

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/one-in-100-asylum-claims-are-real-whistleblower-claims-d8768mjnx

FirmSnake · 25/09/2026 11:18

loulouljh · 25/09/2026 11:10

They should not be here at all./ What other country can you come into like this? It is an utter joke...although completely unfunny.

Admittedly most countries are not islands, so people are not entering by boat, but most countries have people entering via irregular means.
How little do you know about the world to think that we are the only ones dealing with it?

Allseeingallknowing · 25/09/2026 11:15

loulouljh · 25/09/2026 11:10

They should not be here at all./ What other country can you come into like this? It is an utter joke...although completely unfunny.

100% agree

loulouljh · 25/09/2026 11:10

They should not be here at all./ What other country can you come into like this? It is an utter joke...although completely unfunny.

JHound · 25/09/2026 11:00

Ablondiebutagoody · 24/09/2026 16:03

I have just watched the video from earlier today/yesterday of a migrant boat departing Boulogne. The one where the Dad (presumably) ditches his toddler in the sea in order to get onto the boat. The kid was instantly picked up by French emergency workers and it struck me that this whole situation is completely bizarre.

There were approximately half a dozen lifeguards around the boat on jet skis and paddle boards, probably also a load of police out of frame. The boat will then be shadowed by French coastguard vessels until halfway across the channel, at which point border force/RNLI will pick them up and bring them to the UK. They will then be greated by coaches, a couple of hundred riot police and some (redacted by MNHQ) before continuing to their destination.

AIBU to think that this is all a total farce and we should simply provide the coaches from the outset?

YABU - The current arrangement is best.

YANBU - Coach and ferry would be better for everyone.

I think if people want a cap on those wanting to claim asylum (or being allowed to) that should be respected.

I do think the current approach is unsustainable but I don’t know what the sensible approach is. You can have a hardline approach that states no boat arrivals will be assessed for asylum and recommence offshore processing. They can look to other countries (such as Australia) to see what they did (I have not looked deeply so no idea).

FirmSnake · 25/09/2026 10:53

whoopsnomore · 25/09/2026 10:30

In fact overall France takes more, both in net numbers and per capita. UK is around 10th or 11th placed by head of population for numbers of asylum seekers. It's a myth that "they don't want to stay in France" because many do.

We are 12th in Europe. Globally we're somewhere around 75th per capita. Some perspective is necessary.

MaturingCheeseball · 25/09/2026 10:52

It is now getting ridiculous, with multiple boats arriving every day. And every boat filled with men we do not need . There is no unskilled work available, and they are not going to be care workers. Allowing free roaming of men without any documentation is absolute disregard for the safety of the population.

The more who successfully cross the channel, the more it will encourage others. Are we expected to support anyone and everyone who wishes to live here, identity unknown?

On another thread those in favour seem to be either clueless people who live in completely unaffected areas, or those anti-establishmentarians saying that we somehow “deserve” it for past sins.

whoopsnomore · 25/09/2026 10:31

NancyThompson · 25/09/2026 08:20

The very vast majority are not asylum seekers anyway.

Thanks for interviewing everyone and assessing their claims, Nancy