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Where do you think Jewish people come from?

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BlessedIsTheFruit · 23/09/2026 20:07

Antisemitism is at full volume at the moment and I caveat this post with saying that I have absolutely no wish to make Jewish MNers feel uncomfortable but as an an atheist with no connection to Israel this really makes my blood boil.

I see so many SM posts about the Jews having 'colonized' Israel and Judea & Samaria, not having any claim to the land, not being indigenous and of course being 'Europeans settlers'.

They can't answer where they actually come from though so I thought anyone on here who shares their views might be able to give an answer and how they came to that conclusion.

I understand that Jews are an ethnicity with Judaism as their religion. Being Jewish is not a religion. Jews are still today spread out all over the world with the majority living in Israel and the US.

This has come into focus since the UK Government sanctions on Jewish businesses in Judea & Samaria recently with Jewish communities living there classed as 'illegal settlers'.

It's almost as if Jews and Judea have no connection at all.

So AIBU to ask where the Jews originated from if not from there?

I don't feel this belongs on the CITME board as although the war in Gaza has amplified beliefs, this not directly about that.

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MixedBananas · 25/09/2026 06:24

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NancyThompson · 25/09/2026 06:34

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Ah, the night shift lunatic posts.

sickofsixseven · 25/09/2026 06:38

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Oh, the neo nazis have arrived 🙄

NancyThompson · 25/09/2026 06:39

sickofsixseven · 25/09/2026 06:38

Oh, the neo nazis have arrived 🙄

I sometimes wish these posts would be left, for the benefit of the "wot antisemitism?" crowd.

WilmaandFred · 25/09/2026 06:40

The illegally occupied territory relates to areas taken over by the Israeli government during the war in 1960s not the Jewish presence in the area in general.

NancyThompson · 25/09/2026 06:42

WilmaandFred · 25/09/2026 06:40

The illegally occupied territory relates to areas taken over by the Israeli government during the war in 1960s not the Jewish presence in the area in general.

That's not what the poster above you meant though.

CrazyMidget · 25/09/2026 06:55

ginkhao · 25/09/2026 00:59

FYI. If you look at the ga hall during most speeches, it's half empty. The delegation that are planning a performative walk out will intentionally arrive with a massive delegation - basically anyone they can get in the room - in order to performatively walk out. The room will be practically empty when the leader of guinea bissau or Bhutan is speaking but no one needs to perform for the camera that they're leaving 😅

What's a ga hall?

Smokeywater · 25/09/2026 06:55

Simon Sebag Montifiore does a 'True History of the Middle East' on Youtube - I think it's with Triggerometry and it is an unbelievably complicated story. He just talks and explains it for 2 hours - must have an amazing brain.

sickofsixseven · 25/09/2026 06:56

NancyThompson · 25/09/2026 06:42

That's not what the poster above you meant though.

Yes, kind of shocking that the use of terms like "zios" and "israhell" dont seem to register with the majority as the neo nazi, documented anti semitic slurs that they are. Just shows what has been allowed to creep into the mainstream discourse unnoticed

NancyThompson · 25/09/2026 07:09

sickofsixseven · 25/09/2026 06:56

Yes, kind of shocking that the use of terms like "zios" and "israhell" dont seem to register with the majority as the neo nazi, documented anti semitic slurs that they are. Just shows what has been allowed to creep into the mainstream discourse unnoticed

This is it. That they feel emboldened to use those terms publicly.
I'm appalled at how far and wide this toxicity has spread. That othet deleted thread from last night was a shitshow. Hopefully it's more the case that the majority of MNrs just avoided it.

ginkhao · 25/09/2026 07:16

Newbutoldfather · 25/09/2026 06:10

‘The Arabs/Palestinians have been offered a two-state solution 5 times and have turned it down each time.

Maybe someone should have a word in their ear?’

They were offered two state solutions, although the offers fell far short of truly sharing the land.

The offer Arafat was given didn’t offer a contiguous state, an airport or international borders, meaning Israel would always have control over its trade.

Having said that, I think he should have grabbed the offer with both hands, which is why I said both sides needed to resist maximalism.

Actually there was an airport in Gaza until they started the 2nd intifada. It couldn't be continguous because the WB and Gaza are geographically separate with Israel in between but there was talk of a protected corridor linking them. Israel wouldn't have controlled trade.

ginkhao · 25/09/2026 07:17

CrazyMidget · 25/09/2026 06:55

What's a ga hall?

GA = General Assembly

littleburn · 25/09/2026 07:17

Of course Jewish people originate from that part of the world. Where else would they have come from? They didn’t just suddenly pop into existence!

There has always been a Jewish population in the region , even after the Roman expulsion. The Jewish diaspora then spent much of the next two millennia assimilating into European society and enduring discrimination, inquisitions and pogroms for being Jewish, culminating in the Holocaust, from which global Jewish population numbers still have not recovered. The creation in 1948 of a homeland nation where Jews could be safe, could have an army, defend themselves and where all Jewish people could live was a not unreasonable response to near 2,000 years of persecution in Europe and the murder of 6 million people. What were they supposed to do? Start rebuilding in Poland and wait for the next pogrom??

I think an interesting sister question to ‘where are Jews from?’ Is ‘where are Jews supposed to go?’. The people who are (again) making Jews feel so unsafe in Europe and the West that they are leaving for Israel in ever accelerating numbers are the very same people who believe Israel shouldn’t exist. So where are Jews supposed to live? Where are the Jews of Israel supposed to go when your dream of the white coloniser/apartheid state being dismantled ‘from the river to the sea’ is fulfilled? Do you think they will be safe living in Palestine? What is your plan beyond the catchy sloganeering?

ginkhao · 25/09/2026 07:19

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Hahahaha, the comedians have arrived.
That makes zero logical sense or have any semblance of historical reality.
But the slurs make it clear that you won't let facts get in the way of a good story.

ginkhao · 25/09/2026 07:20

littleburn · 25/09/2026 07:17

Of course Jewish people originate from that part of the world. Where else would they have come from? They didn’t just suddenly pop into existence!

There has always been a Jewish population in the region , even after the Roman expulsion. The Jewish diaspora then spent much of the next two millennia assimilating into European society and enduring discrimination, inquisitions and pogroms for being Jewish, culminating in the Holocaust, from which global Jewish population numbers still have not recovered. The creation in 1948 of a homeland nation where Jews could be safe, could have an army, defend themselves and where all Jewish people could live was a not unreasonable response to near 2,000 years of persecution in Europe and the murder of 6 million people. What were they supposed to do? Start rebuilding in Poland and wait for the next pogrom??

I think an interesting sister question to ‘where are Jews from?’ Is ‘where are Jews supposed to go?’. The people who are (again) making Jews feel so unsafe in Europe and the West that they are leaving for Israel in ever accelerating numbers are the very same people who believe Israel shouldn’t exist. So where are Jews supposed to live? Where are the Jews of Israel supposed to go when your dream of the white coloniser/apartheid state being dismantled ‘from the river to the sea’ is fulfilled? Do you think they will be safe living in Palestine? What is your plan beyond the catchy sloganeering?

It's a fair question but, honestly, Jews are done asking permission about where they can live so while you might reveal hypocrisy, the answers are meaningless.

Humdingerydoo · 25/09/2026 07:33

CrazyMidget · 25/09/2026 05:08

Well, no. Not like that. Like I said, equal rights.

Could you please provide an example where that has ever worked out in that part of the world? Where Jews have been a minority yet had equal rights.

inamarina · 25/09/2026 07:38

ginkhao · 25/09/2026 07:19

Hahahaha, the comedians have arrived.
That makes zero logical sense or have any semblance of historical reality.
But the slurs make it clear that you won't let facts get in the way of a good story.

Yep, the usual slurs and tropes all strung together.
Plus, I wonder when exactly ‘the Palestinian rule’ is supposed to have happened?

NancyThompson · 25/09/2026 07:54

inamarina · 25/09/2026 07:38

Yep, the usual slurs and tropes all strung together.
Plus, I wonder when exactly ‘the Palestinian rule’ is supposed to have happened?

The Ottomans might be surprised to learn about it.

Humdingerydoo · 25/09/2026 07:56

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Nice flag. Probably not the one you were intending to share though. So well done on displaying your rather impressive ignorance so efficiently!

And again, Jews have been second class citizens in the Middle East for a lot longer than the word Palestinian has been in use. They've never had equal rights to whatever their coloniser du jour has been. Just like they still don't have equal rights in large parts of the Arab world and Iran today.

Newbutoldfather · 25/09/2026 07:58

Why do so many bother to respond to a totally ignorant and provocative post?

It just derails a worthwhile conversation. I am sure that poster won’t be back.

ginkhao · 25/09/2026 08:10

Humdingerydoo · 25/09/2026 07:56

Nice flag. Probably not the one you were intending to share though. So well done on displaying your rather impressive ignorance so efficiently!

And again, Jews have been second class citizens in the Middle East for a lot longer than the word Palestinian has been in use. They've never had equal rights to whatever their coloniser du jour has been. Just like they still don't have equal rights in large parts of the Arab world and Iran today.

Hahaha, it was the flag of Western Sahara 😂

How beautifully ironic

PurpleThistle7 · 25/09/2026 08:15

Quite.

But to the point, there are 14 countries I am not even allowed to visit as someone who happened to be born in Israel and they aren’t all in the Middle East. The Maldives being crossed off was a sad discovery. Of course, if they don’t want me, I can spend my money elsewhere! But the idea that any sort of country ruled by antisemites would be a safe haven for Jews is endlessly bewildering.

My grandmother was born in 1920. It was unimaginable to her that she’d always have a place to go, she grew up knowing she wasn’t welcome anywhere and any sort of security was temporary.

Humdingerydoo · 25/09/2026 08:20

Newbutoldfather · 25/09/2026 07:58

Why do so many bother to respond to a totally ignorant and provocative post?

It just derails a worthwhile conversation. I am sure that poster won’t be back.

Mostly because that particular poster is a name I recognise. She was on here earlier claiming to be a Jewish Muslim Moroccan. She claims to hate occupation, then shares the Western Sahara flag... A country her country is occupying 😂😂😂 So I guess it's just "occupation" by Jewish people she hates. I wonder why.

Anyway, I enjoyed both her obvious ignorance and her sheer hypocrisy. And now others can enjoy it too!

Lucyslocket · 25/09/2026 08:21

mathanxiety · 25/09/2026 03:13

There have been other genocides.

The means have been different, but the motivation has been the same.

Please don't dignify the term 'actual genocide'.

Remember "Black September" when King Hussein of Jordan told his army to shell the refugee camps in Jordan in September 1970 to try to get rid of the PLO forces led by Yasser Arafat ?
I'm not sure if it is classed as a 'genocide' or a massacre, but 3,400 were killed on the PLO side.
Interestingly, King Hussein got a free pass on that one.
It seems to me that when Arabs kill Arabs that's OK, but if Israelis kill Arabs everyone loses their minds.

ginkhao · 25/09/2026 08:23

@PurpleThistle7
read about what's happening in Thailand! They've adopted antisemitic tropes that wouldn't go amiss in the Third Reich. Chabad has become public enemy number one as it is clearly on a mission to secretly take over Thailand with the clever.rich and cunning Jews coming to exploit the kind-hearted, poor and naive Thais (and the corrupt government). If it can reach Thailand - where it's promoted now to advance a domestic political agenda to weaken the government and also make common cause with the Muslim population who are constantly fed anti-Israel hatred - it can reach anywhere.