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Where do you think Jewish people come from?

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BlessedIsTheFruit · 23/09/2026 20:07

Antisemitism is at full volume at the moment and I caveat this post with saying that I have absolutely no wish to make Jewish MNers feel uncomfortable but as an an atheist with no connection to Israel this really makes my blood boil.

I see so many SM posts about the Jews having 'colonized' Israel and Judea & Samaria, not having any claim to the land, not being indigenous and of course being 'Europeans settlers'.

They can't answer where they actually come from though so I thought anyone on here who shares their views might be able to give an answer and how they came to that conclusion.

I understand that Jews are an ethnicity with Judaism as their religion. Being Jewish is not a religion. Jews are still today spread out all over the world with the majority living in Israel and the US.

This has come into focus since the UK Government sanctions on Jewish businesses in Judea & Samaria recently with Jewish communities living there classed as 'illegal settlers'.

It's almost as if Jews and Judea have no connection at all.

So AIBU to ask where the Jews originated from if not from there?

I don't feel this belongs on the CITME board as although the war in Gaza has amplified beliefs, this not directly about that.

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Humdingerydoo · 25/09/2026 11:16

Newbutoldfather · 25/09/2026 10:52

@SmallDFartyCarNRG ,

‘So are any of you anti him?
Are any of you on here to say he is not doing a good job?’

If the ‘you’ refers to Jews, plenty of us are anti him, both in Israel and in the diaspora. Just not too many on these threads.

Also it is difficult sometimes to retain balance when half the contributors will support ‘Bibi’ regardless of what he and his government does, and the other half think (although are careful not to explicitly say) that the Jews should just give up running Israel altogether.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/sep/09/senior-uk-rabbis-come-out-in-support-of-sanctions-on-israeli-settlements

There are Jewish people on this thread who are anti him as well. We're not all one extreme or the other. It's just that I don't want to discuss Israeli politics because why should I have to? I've been mostly clarifying matters about Jewish populations in the Middle East on this thread and calling out antisemitism. I'm not on this thread to discuss Israeli politics. I have opinions on it but I don't consider them relevant to a discussion about the history of Jews in the Middle East.

Newbutoldfather · 25/09/2026 11:06

The question that no one (who doesn’t actually think genocide, either way, is acceptable) can answer (including me) is what would have been a ‘reasonable’ response to 7/10.

I think most (although far from all) abhor what happened on 7/10 and believe Israel needed to respond against Hamas.

I believe most, looking at Gaza now, and the fate of the population, believe that Israel is going too far and is now looking to drive the Palestinians out.

I guess that I personally think that Israel should have sought international support for a conquer and hold operation, with a proper deradicalisation program, and then a two state solution where Hamas was nowhere to be seen. I don’t know how easy (or even possible) that would be though.

ginkhao · 25/09/2026 10:58

Lucyslocket · 25/09/2026 09:03

@ginkhao You can read about it here and educate yourself
^ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladeshgenocide^
I know about the Bangladesh Genocide, thank you very much, so don't call me 'uneducated'. Why don't you educate yourself to stop the need to make rude, insulting posts?
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attraction
Review-g2167645-d600761-Reviews-JatiyoSritiShoudhoNationalMartyrsMemorial-SavarDhakaDivision.html

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I don't think you do or you wouldn't have said such riduclous things.
zero analogy between Pakistan and BAngladesh and Gaza adn West Bank.
You also said that Bangladesh became autonomous. it didn't. It became fully independent of Pakistan, at great price, The genocide only stopped when India stepped in.

Downloadfilms · 25/09/2026 10:54

Good heavens above!
Imagine how much we could get sorted in the UK if time spent on this thread was spent on sorting out other things - which is a whole other thing.......

Newbutoldfather · 25/09/2026 10:52

@SmallDFartyCarNRG ,

‘So are any of you anti him?
Are any of you on here to say he is not doing a good job?’

If the ‘you’ refers to Jews, plenty of us are anti him, both in Israel and in the diaspora. Just not too many on these threads.

Also it is difficult sometimes to retain balance when half the contributors will support ‘Bibi’ regardless of what he and his government does, and the other half think (although are careful not to explicitly say) that the Jews should just give up running Israel altogether.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/sep/09/senior-uk-rabbis-come-out-in-support-of-sanctions-on-israeli-settlements

Humdingerydoo · 25/09/2026 10:42

SmallDFartyCarNRG · 25/09/2026 10:28

So are any of you anti him?
Are any of you on here to say he is not doing a good job?

Why are you asking my opinion? On what basis?

Abina · 25/09/2026 10:41

CrazyMidget · 25/09/2026 05:54

Plantations? Is that not a Deep South USA thing? I didn't think much cotton grew in Ireland, but I could always be wrong.

You might find this helpful:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantations_of_Ireland

Plantations of Ireland - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantations_of_Ireland

Balonzee · 25/09/2026 10:35

SmallDFartyCarNRG · 25/09/2026 10:28

So are any of you anti him?
Are any of you on here to say he is not doing a good job?

Any of you? Who is you?

SmallDFartyCarNRG · 25/09/2026 10:28

Humdingerydoo · 25/09/2026 09:57

Maybe you should have chosen better words? Ones that don't sound an awful lot like what an antisemite would say. And maybe you shouldn't have referred to Netanyahu as "your leader" with everything that your chosen words imply

So are any of you anti him?
Are any of you on here to say he is not doing a good job?

Humdingerydoo · 25/09/2026 09:57

SmallDFartyCarNRG · 25/09/2026 09:52

A lot of posters on this thread and Netanyahu do say plenty of entitled things. Not ALL JEWS, god this is like NAMALT!

You posters seem to cover yourselves in trip wires of offence so you don't have to concede any points. You deliberately twisted my words to make that against all Jews when I was referring to the outraged posters denying murder.

Maybe you should have chosen better words? Ones that don't sound an awful lot like what an antisemite would say. And maybe you shouldn't have referred to Netanyahu as "your leader" with everything that your chosen words imply

Balonzee · 25/09/2026 09:55

SmallDFartyCarNRG · 25/09/2026 09:52

A lot of posters on this thread and Netanyahu do say plenty of entitled things. Not ALL JEWS, god this is like NAMALT!

You posters seem to cover yourselves in trip wires of offence so you don't have to concede any points. You deliberately twisted my words to make that against all Jews when I was referring to the outraged posters denying murder.

And how do you know if they're Jewish? And if they are, why is that relevant to whether they're entitled or not?

Humdingerydoo · 25/09/2026 09:54

SmallDFartyCarNRG · 25/09/2026 09:48

If you are in Israel and elected him or agree with what he is doing then yes I would say he is your leader, he is the PM after all of the land where you all want to be. I am in no way saying Jewish people shouldn't have a place, not sure how you all keep getting there when no one on the thread has ever said that.

I would say someone following any party as following their leader - I hear similar aggressive attitudes and arguments from the likes of Tommy Robinson and followers, although he never got elected for anything, because his viewpoints are so extreme.

So he isn't the leader of the 75+% of eligible Israeli voters who didn't vote for him? But you know for sure that NancyThompson voted for him as you refer to him as her leader?

And Andy Burnham isn't my leader because I didn't vote for him? This is getting very complicated.

SmallDFartyCarNRG · 25/09/2026 09:52

Balonzee · 25/09/2026 09:48

You're not antisemitic, you just think Jewish people are entitled. Uh-huh.

A lot of posters on this thread and Netanyahu do say plenty of entitled things. Not ALL JEWS, god this is like NAMALT!

You posters seem to cover yourselves in trip wires of offence so you don't have to concede any points. You deliberately twisted my words to make that against all Jews when I was referring to the outraged posters denying murder.

inamarina · 25/09/2026 09:49

SmallDFartyCarNRG · 25/09/2026 09:48

If you are in Israel and elected him or agree with what he is doing then yes I would say he is your leader, he is the PM after all of the land where you all want to be. I am in no way saying Jewish people shouldn't have a place, not sure how you all keep getting there when no one on the thread has ever said that.

I would say someone following any party as following their leader - I hear similar aggressive attitudes and arguments from the likes of Tommy Robinson and followers, although he never got elected for anything, because his viewpoints are so extreme.

‘Where you all want to be’? What are you on about?

Balonzee · 25/09/2026 09:48

SmallDFartyCarNRG · 25/09/2026 09:35

Oh I can already tell you that she does think that, undoubtedly. Doesn't mean I am though, if that is what you are asking.

You're not antisemitic, you just think Jewish people are entitled. Uh-huh.

SmallDFartyCarNRG · 25/09/2026 09:48

If you are in Israel and elected him or agree with what he is doing then yes I would say he is your leader, he is the PM after all of the land where you all want to be. I am in no way saying Jewish people shouldn't have a place, not sure how you all keep getting there when no one on the thread has ever said that.

I would say someone following any party as following their leader - I hear similar aggressive attitudes and arguments from the likes of Tommy Robinson and followers, although he never got elected for anything, because his viewpoints are so extreme.

inamarina · 25/09/2026 09:47

Humdingerydoo · 25/09/2026 09:41

That you aren't what? Because in general, if someone says something antisemitic they would be considered an antisemite. Your use of "Your leader" is not an innocent one. You knew what you were saying. Is he my leader too because I'm Jewish? Because I believe that Israel has a right to exist?

Your use of "Your leader" is not an innocent one.

Of course it isn’t. Neither is their rushing in to defend someone who’s talking about ‘Israhell’ and ‘Zios’.

PurpleThistle7 · 25/09/2026 09:45

I can’t vote in Israel so…

inamarina · 25/09/2026 09:44

SmallDFartyCarNRG · 25/09/2026 09:35

Oh I can already tell you that she does think that, undoubtedly. Doesn't mean I am though, if that is what you are asking.

What point are you trying to make here? Whose ‘elected leader’ are you talking about in your other post?

Humdingerydoo · 25/09/2026 09:41

SmallDFartyCarNRG · 25/09/2026 09:35

Oh I can already tell you that she does think that, undoubtedly. Doesn't mean I am though, if that is what you are asking.

That you aren't what? Because in general, if someone says something antisemitic they would be considered an antisemite. Your use of "Your leader" is not an innocent one. You knew what you were saying. Is he my leader too because I'm Jewish? Because I believe that Israel has a right to exist?

SmallDFartyCarNRG · 25/09/2026 09:35

Humdingerydoo · 25/09/2026 09:33

"your elected leader" - @NancyThompson are you Israeli or is this poster being antisemitic?

Oh I can already tell you that she does think that, undoubtedly. Doesn't mean I am though, if that is what you are asking.

Humdingerydoo · 25/09/2026 09:33

SmallDFartyCarNRG · 25/09/2026 09:24

Are thought anyone who didn't agree with you was already antisemetic and a neo-nazi? Is there anyone left?

I can see from the news this is the way your elected leader does things; shout over everyone, indignation, sky is green, you are all wimps and I am saving civilisation by killing and creating wars. Unsurprisingly he is dividing his own country as well as the world. Bravo. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3y0z7kxlegdo

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"your elected leader" - @NancyThompson are you Israeli or is this poster being antisemitic?

SmallDFartyCarNRG · 25/09/2026 09:24

NancyThompson · 25/09/2026 06:39

I sometimes wish these posts would be left, for the benefit of the "wot antisemitism?" crowd.

Are thought anyone who didn't agree with you was already antisemetic and a neo-nazi? Is there anyone left?

I can see from the news this is the way your elected leader does things; shout over everyone, indignation, sky is green, you are all wimps and I am saving civilisation by killing and creating wars. Unsurprisingly he is dividing his own country as well as the world. Bravo. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3y0z7kxlegdo

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu speaks at the UN General Assembly in New York City. Photo: 24 September 2026

Netanyahu defends Israeli military action as delegates walk out before UN speech

The Israeli leader labels those who left his speech at the UN General Assembly as "moral cowards". 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3y0z7kxlegdo

inamarina · 25/09/2026 09:14

runfromthecrushingtide · 25/09/2026 08:46

Genuinely can't tell if this is a parody or not.

Hmmm, good point tbh. The flag might be a giveaway.

Lucyslocket · 25/09/2026 09:03

@ginkhao You can read about it here and educate yourself
^ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladeshgenocide^
I know about the Bangladesh Genocide, thank you very much, so don't call me 'uneducated'. Why don't you educate yourself to stop the need to make rude, insulting posts?
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attraction
Review-g2167645-d600761-Reviews-JatiyoSritiShoudhoNationalMartyrsMemorial-SavarDhakaDivision.html