Where do you think Jewish people come from?

They didn’t self-determined. UN brought Jewish ppl there after WWII and gave them land, because there was no better option.

Why the inflammatory thread title?
Because here we have another person who hates Jews.

Macklemore is just another two bit rapper who is involving himself in something he's not part of. Jewish people's right to exist means naff all during these wankers' morale crusades. Big gobs wearing keffiyehs aren't going to solve an unsolvable centuries old problem.

That's incorrect and there is plenty of genetic evidence showing both Jews and Arabs as distinct ethnic groups.

Your post makes it sound like all the Jews left 2,000 years ago and then randomly decided to go back (not to mention belittling people's religious beliefs). That is incorrect. There have been Jews living as a minority in what is now Israel and the surrounding areas since the times of ancient Israel.

Given how living as a minority has usually resulted in persecution/expulsion/mass murder there was a growing movement to become independent (Zionism).

The right to self-determination is enshrined in the UN Charter for all peoples. That's all Zionism is; Jewish self-determination.

They do indeed say this. Genesis 37-50 plus the first bit of Exodus. Whether it’s true or not is another matter (the archaeological and non-Hebrew documentary evidence is sparse - possibly it’s an origin myth).

Nobody is disputing that the Hebrew people (nb this is the correct term for the period) lived for around a thousand years in the lands we currently know as Israel and Palestine - as you say the archaeological evidence is overwhelming. It’s not even a question.

But my slightly flippant answer to the OP’s question is true. The Hebrew Scriptures are clear that it was in Egypt that a single family became an ethnic people, which subsequently left and moved to Canaan, later known by the Hebrews as the lands of Judea and Samaria.

👏brilliant post. The actual recent history of the region.

Is this a serious comment? People on the internet are so ignorant. This website is going down the toilet, honestly.

Germany has paid out about 90 billion in US Dollars in reparations for the Holocaust so far and continues to spend about 1.5 billion on it yearly

I haven't RTFT because I don't want my brain addled, but as I understand it Abraham, the founder of the Jewish race, came from a place called Ur of the Chaldees which was in modern day Southern Iraq.
Prompted by his father, they left Ur to go to Canaan.
Rather than crossing the dangerous Arabian Desert directly, they followed the Euphrates River northwest for about 600 miles. They stopped and settled in the city of Haran along the way.
At age 75, Abram received a direct command from God in Haran to leave his native land and go to a new land that God would show him.
If you want to read the story for yourself it's in the Christian Bible from Genesis 11.27 to Gen 25.11.
I don't know where you would look for it in Jewish peoples' sacred book.

Hey OP, what other country has to continually explain its existence?
Been on any protests against the Iranian regime, or is it just Jews you don't like?

Israel is here. It exists. It would be a non-issue, not a global talking point, if it wasn't majority-Jewish. It's being subjected to mass Islamist propaganda, helped on by the far left in Western countries.

I promise if it wasn't Jewish no-one would give a fuck. Like no-one gives a fuck about Sudan.

The whole illegal settlements think is bonkers and a complete distraction from your original post. It’s very simple:

in 1948, the international community approved a Jewish land in what is now Israel, including the West Bank/judea & Samaria (whatever you want to call it) and Gaza. This is according to the law of Uti Possidetis Uris - look it up, very interesting. Same law that gave Ukraine the Crimea - can’t imagine anyone world say Ukraine was occupying that area?!

within moments in 1948, the Arabs invaded and took over those areas (Egypt took Gaza, Jordan took West Bank)

in 1967, the Arabs invaded Israel again, Israel said sod this, we’re taking them back - we were given them legally

nothing illegal about Israel governing those areas. Of course, they chose to withdraw and give Gaza to the Palestinians to rule in 2005 as a gesture of good will - look how that turned out. Not surprising they don’t want to do the same with the West Bank, don’t you think?

anyway, to answer your original question… Jews came from Judea. Our exile, which has lasted thousands of years took us to all corners of the earth, which is why we are come in every colour, shape and size. But rather than assimilating, we kept our unique identity. Pretty cool, huh?!

Vile post but typical.

I used Ed Sheeran as an example of the Gaza situation presenting itself in forums unrelated to politics.
Macklemore should have kept his mouth shut.

I cringed at that. It shows how woefully ignorant these people are.

The ‘Arch of Titus’, near the Forum in Rome, depicts the forced removal of Jews from their homeland, which gave rise to an involuntary diaspora.

It is quite moving. The Romans didn’t seem to tolerate any resistance or dissent. I suppose it would be called ethnic cleansing today.

Other colonisers came to the area afterwards, of course. The Byzantines were there, or Eastern Roman Empire as it can be called. Then there was quite the significant cultural shift due to the Islamic political and religious expansion by the Muslim Arabs. At the pointy end of a sword. Ottomans took over, for nigh on four hundred years. Then the British Mandate came along.

My father’s cousin was over there in the Palestine bit of Judea and Palestine (British Army) during the First World War.

Jesus was a Jew
because Judaism existed in the middle East before Christianity

Mohammed invented Islam around around the year 610

before that there were Jews, Christians, Roman multitheists, Gnostics, and more

The Crusades drove the early Moors / Moslems back to the Middle East (after they took over much of Spain)

Jews were discriminated against and expelled by many countries over many centuries

the fact that there are more Jews in the USA than Europe was not by choice (see also Hitler)

There is no such place as Palestine.

Can guarantee there's the Sheeran bullies posting on the thread.

The whole argument is stupidly inconsistent anyway. If people who arrived in the UK as adults, and naturalise, are British, then people who were either born in or immigrated to Israel are Israeli.

Would you be happy if half of your house was declared someone’s safe place/ homeland/ whatever bc their family lived there 30 generations ago and they’d move in tomorrow?
This problem was artificially created by the UN bc USA/UK couldn’t/wouldn’t take in any more immigrants.

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This. I mean, my family have lived in the States for over 175 years, and I’d be pretty angry if the Apaches turned up at my parents’ house and said that it was their ancestral land, and they were taking it.

I am English. But hang on, maybe I am not really. Where were my antecedents 2000 years ago? Maybe I should go back there.