Where do you think Jewish people come from?

I am Moroccan Jewish and Arab but religiously Muslim. I am semetic both sides. I am not hounding the whole world and offing babies right left and centre and crying wolf every second of each day.

We forget about mass genocide of other natives but we favourite another. All I can do is laugh now. What about natives in Australia and Americas?
Until we see an equal approach to this with natives then it is a big ploy to push an agenda. And we know what that is. Securing the middle east from Iraq to the Nile in Egypt - the promised lands for the Zionists.

Each step of the way be sure to cry wolf.

Antisemitism is at full volume at the moment and I caveat this post with saying that I have absolutely no wish to make Jewish MNers feel uncomfortable but as an an atheist with no connection to Israel this really makes my blood boil.

I see so many SM posts about the Jews having 'colonized' Israel and Judea & Samaria, not having any claim to the land, not being indigenous and of course being 'Europeans settlers'.

They can't answer where they actually come from though so I thought anyone on here who shares their views might be able to give an answer and how they came to that conclusion.

I understand that Jews are an ethnicity with Judaism as their religion. Being Jewish is not a religion. Jews are still today spread out all over the world with the majority living in Israel and the US.

This has come into focus since the UK Government sanctions on Jewish businesses in Judea & Samaria recently with Jewish communities living there classed as 'illegal settlers'.

It's almost as if Jews and Judea have no connection at all.

So AIBU to ask where the Jews originated from if not from there?

I don't feel this belongs on the CITME board as although the war in Gaza has amplified beliefs, this not directly about that.

Is the argument that too much time passed to just 'reclaim' it and so now they're doing the same to a group of people that they complain happened to them.. effectively stating that two wrongs make a right? Or is it that kicking people out of their land 'for any reason you deem valid' is always fine?

I have no skin in the game. I'm just curious how far back we go before we accept we can't just take things from people any more.

It’s bizarre isn’t it?

I come from that general area (but not Israel or Gaza specifically) and my family are Muslim though I am an atheist.

it seems to me indisputable that Jews originate from that land. The Al Aqsa mosque is built on top of the temple of Solomon - how on earth can Jews returning to their ancestral land (having survived an actual genocide) possibly be regarded as colonisers?

There are plenty of decent people who give their support to the Jewish community. Racism gets thrown out a lot on Mumsnet but it's quiet when antisemitism is discussed. This thread was iffy from the off and it has ended up being a dog whistle for all the usual racists from the CITME board.

There are plenty of decent people who give their support to the Jewish community. Racism gets thrown out a lot on Mumsnet but it's quiet when antisemitism is discussed. This thread was iffy from the off and it has ended up being a dog whistle for all the usual racists from the CITME board.

Why are they robbing people in the West Bank?

Have to say, this is what I was going to say!

It doesn’t really matter if those Jewish people moving into/ establishing illegal settlements had roots on that land at some point in their ancestry. That land was legally designated as Palestinian - as belonging to Palestinian people who will also have ancestors who lived on that land.

My matriarchal ancestry is Norwegian (if you go back as far as I’m able to entirely on the female line, as you would in Judaism). Doesn’t give me the right to go and take someone’s house in Norway.

I totally agree with Israel’s right to exist but within legal limits and hopefully in time with a viable two state solution, so alongside a viable Palestinian state. Not by just killing all Palestinians and bulldozing their homes.

That's exactly my point. I don't have a right to live there just because my ancestors hail from there. I would need to apply for an oci and it's at the Indian government's discretion if I'm granted one or not

Should I log on tomorrow morning for the Mumsnet Eastenders spoilers?
I feel threatened & unsafe (I'm being serious!) by Antisemitism and anti-Israel threads & posts.

I'm fed up with the hate!
I'm Jewish.
I'm British, my Grandfather's were in WW2 in the Navy & Army, my family's been in the UK for over 100 years, and I feel that it's not if but when my family and I move to Israel.
Happy now everyone? By the way, we'll no longer be contributing to the UK economy, so good luck with the declining cash available to pay for necessary services.
Hope the newcomers can bring money into the UK.

Perhaps they would if an Austrian psychopath hadn’t murdered 6 million of them.

I wonder why Austria/Germany isnt held to account for the holocaust? Maybe some reparations are due?

Both Jews and Arabs have been in the region since the year dot. They both have a claim. Which is why they need to share. And not by shoving one people into ghettos. Properly sharing, like in the UK where Jews and Arabs are equal British citizens with equal rights and can live wherever they please.

You can live in India. All you need is overseas citizens passport. Only thing you are not allowed is voting and purchase of agricultural land.

Visas and permits are for foreigners with no ethnicity connection to India.

I kind of agree with this. Today Israel exists where it is so it should continue to exist where it is.

I don't disagree with OPs position that merely because Jews lived in that area previously they have a superior claim to that area compared to everyone else. That's a really poor claim and obviously can't be applied universally. it would set a pretty crazy precedent around the world, which unfortunately just isn't workable in the way our world currently works.

However this ancestral claim isn't Israel's only reason for existence. A much stronger claim is that after thousands of years of persecution everywhere that Jews have lived the Jewish people needed a state of their own because they were not safe anywhere else. Whether the current area was the best place for it I don't know but I guess because of their ancestral connection it made the most sense. Other areas were actually considered but dismissed. Also, irrespective of where Israel was created it would have led to conflict with and displacement of the local population.

Anyway, it was decided that this area first under British and then under UN mandate would become Israel. And they did propose a two state solution which was rejected by the Arab side because I assume they obviously thought why should they give up more than 50% of their land.

Anyway, so I do think Israel should exist not because they have more right than anyone else to that area but because they need a place to live in. Equally Palestinians need a place to exist and the illegal settlements threaten that or rather are symbolic of how disenfranchised the Palestinians actually are.

You could have just read my OP in the time it took you to type that.

To save you being confused, I stand with the Jews.

How about they claim it because they bought large parcels of the land (and therefore legally own the title deeds) and then the UN confirmed it was theirs almost 80 years ago? Or what is the exact number of years needed for a country to be allowed to continue to exist in your expert opinion?

Why does someone have claim to a piece of land because their ancestors lived there? Can I claim Sweden despite my family being in the US for over 100 years?

I am not arguing against Israel as a nation or the right of any person to be safe. I just don’t believe that we should be
tracing land histories back hundreds of years when making decisions that have impact on real people today.

Today Israel exists therefore Israel should continue to exist. That is all that really matters at this point.