Where do you think Jewish people come from?

Jews obviously originate from ME and anyone denying that is anti Semitic

But there's also a long tradition of Jews being portrayed as ethically fully distinct from Europe & other places when this is untrue and was a prejudiced way of painting them as interlopers. Ashkenazi Jews have a percentage of European DNA as well as ME, Jews from China, Ethiopia and India also. Both things can be accepted without denying Jews originate from the ME.

https://jewinthecity.com/2024/07/no-ashkenazi-jews-are-not-genetically-european/

https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2023/02/24/the-sudan-connection-are-ethiopian-jews-descendants-of-the-ancient-israelites/

https://bukharianjewishlink.com/index.php/feature/5704-genetic-confirmation-the-jews-of-kaifeng-descend-from-mizrahi-jews

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4806850/

https://davidcycleback.substack.com/p/the-genetic-differences-between-ashkenazi

What I thought broadly aligns with what’s on Wikipedia so I’ll link. Hope that helps but not sure thread is in good faith.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews

You're conflating sovereignly and land ownership. Different concepts. Many Israelis rent their homes and dont' own land because they can't afford it.

Most land in a country isn't publicly owned, it's state land. And state land can be used for residential development and sold for private use. Happens everywhere, all the time.

Prior to 1948, all land owned by Jews had been privately purchased. Arabs obviously owned land although a lot of the land was held by large absenteee landlords and the rural villagers would lease the land from them (which is why some land sales prior to 1948 would then lead to dsplacement from villages). After 1948, there was an "absentee landlord law" which allowed the land held by arabs not present in Israel (either through displacement or because they had never lived there) to be held by the state - problematic for sure but similar laws passed elsewhere with large scale displacements - certainly, happend to the 800,000 Jews displaced from Arab countries who lost all their property.
However, nearly all the land was state land and not privately held land and that passed to the state of Israel in 1948 when the brits left.

It's more problematic in the West Bank because there Israel hasn't annexed it and applied Israeli civil law. So legally they really shouldn't be converting state land to private land for Israeli citizens. Until now, privately held land was protected but a lot of the recent uproar in the WB is because extremsit groups are trying to take over privately held land, whch is illegal under Israeli law too.

Mecca and Medina 🤦‍♀️

I'd like to chip in with a few facts that seem to have escaped many British people commenting here:

The existence of 'Northern Ireland' and its relationship to the island of Great Britain, and the government at Westminster. Ask yourselves how six counties in the northeast of the island of Ireland came to be a British province.

The name of the disputed patch of land in the Levant, and the government exercising control over it until 1948.

The Balfour Declaration, a glib promise made in the heat of war for reasons to do with that war, and subsequent conflicting promises made by British governments to many other parties with a stake in the land, with political expediency as the motive, not foresight, or fairness, or any thought other than to kick the can down the road.

I am native to there. Doesn’t mean I am entitled to live there… bluntly because I can’t afford it. I don’t own the land. It’s not difficult to understand.

Why would you hope that, or believe that, or consider that possible, given the events that happened in Europe within living memory?

No idea why you are conflating things like connection and migration.

They either own the land or they don’t.

If they do - then they don’t need to ‘settle it’

If they don’t - then what are they doing by ‘settling it’? Borrowing it? claiming it? What?

The Old Testament will supply the answer to the question.

The Christian Bible stops short of the destruction of the second Temple by the Romans in 70CE, iirc. It details the lives of Jewish people in a certain geographical area, the fact that they had neighbours whom they didnt like, and were oppressed by an occupying force.

After the destruction of the Temple, there occurred a diaspora, with Jews moving to parts of the middle east, north Africa, and southeastern Europe, eventually moving all over Europe, though often being booted out and moving again.

Far too deep for 2 am, every time I saw your thread title I just wanted to say the same place as the rest of us!!

The stalk!

You are confusing many different things.

Ah, the clarion call of conspiracy nuts.

They clearly don't believe we are all human and originally came from Africa.
That is not "their point" so no one will get anywhere with the truth.
Rage bait and fake facts.

I am not ok with what is happening. Yet your point is lost on me. I’m a white Christian, where do I “come” from? You are suggesting you must “come” from an area or country to live there - which is hysterical.

Why? Dual citizenship is allowed in both Ireland and UK.

This is what happens when you turn an entire area of MN into no go zones because you block everyone who voices an opinion you don't like. AIBU now, really? Just read a paper or watch the news and you'll see what the world thinks. Those who are allowed free speech anyway.

Agree, I think the vast majority don't care at all or only care in a very narrow way (as you mention). I just wish they realised the implicit support they have given the true antisemites.

I work in a stereotypically blokey/small c-conservative industry and its been a godsend over the last few years. There hasn't much talk about it (except one person that gets their news from tiktok and definitely sees it as the current thing and not real people's lives).

Just coming back to where this thread started.

Ultimately we are all just humans. Originally we came from Africa.

Yes we have different cultures, and religions bound up in that, and nations that sometimes vaguely approximate where different cultures start and end. But there are no natural countries, just what humans have put in place.

Nothing is ever going to get sorted until all parties, on all sides of various wars and conflicts, sit down with that starting point in their hearts and minds. Unfortunately it seems to need everyone to realise that at the same time, otherwise the worst so-called “leaders” in the world are going to carry on running rampage as seems to be happening right now.

Perhaps I'm being cynical but I just don't believe a lot of the people furiously arguing about the Israel/Palestine thing gave it a second thought prior to recent events. I think in many cases it's the latest thing for white middle class lefties to scold people about. Like 'islamophobia'. Typically in these discussions there's a boogeyman which is usually implied to be an 'uneducated' working class person - 'flaggers', white van men, sexist builders, etc.

I don't believe the average white British person has an issue with Jewish people and certainly not to the degree they have with 'boat people' etc. And I don't believe most of the people championing the cause would dare challenge a Muslim on their views about Jewish people so it's often a bit circular.

You might be surprised to know that Israel is 20% non-Jewish. Many Muslims and Christians with full rights as citizens of the country.

So 20,000 murdered children at the hands of the Israeli government aren’t victims? Explain?