Where do you think Jewish people come from?

London was only London since medieval times, a blink of the eye historically

Err no. The Romans called it Londinium.

(1) There has been no mass starvation and no deliberate bombing of civilian children, whatever enemies of Israel like to claim.
(2)Thereis no genocide of the Palestinian people although Hamas and other Arab terrorists would dearly like to wipe out the Jewish population of Israel and replace it with Arabs. That would be genocide indeed and the actions of Hamas and their supporters in Gaza on October 7 2023 shows what their aims are and what they are capable of.

Why yes, yes I did. I read the first bit and then stopped.

That's really not some kind of gotcha, you know? I read one part of one of your posts and responded to that part because I thought it was pretty fucking awful. I didn't even read your whole OP. I have been on this thread responding to other posters, not you.

Also, unless the definition of "facts" has recently changed, the bits of your word-salad of a post that I bothered to read and respond to did not contain facts. It was just hatefulness. Some of what you said might be true and apply to some Palestinians, but it sure as hell doesn't apply to every single one. Generalising like that doesn't do anyone any favours.

@PurpleThistle7 ,

They are long dead, sadly, and I never even met them before they died. We have very long generations (they went there in about 1917 I think).

I am not sure it ever went anywhere, to be honest. I think they, and quite a few other Jews went out to start it and then they just got on with their lives and forgot about it.

There is still a tiny Jewish community in Kenya and an orthodox synagogue in Nairobi.

Super interesting. I didn’t realise it actually went anywhere, thought it was just a random idea like shipping the Jews to a Madagascar ghetto. Any stories from them?

Honestly? I haven't read most of your posts.

@BlessedIsTheFruit ,

‘What is your opinion of my using Palestinian sources in my assessment of Palestinians btw?’

It’s just very vague. Which Palestinian sources?

As I think I said upthread (and certainly have on many other threads), the population has been radicalised, as have the Israeli population to some extent.

The question is how to deradicalise both sides and make them realise that living side by side and trading will get them a lot further in the long run than hating each other. I don’t believe that one type of person is intrinsically different to another (because I am not a racist).

We need more initiatives like this one:

west-eastern-divan.org/divan-orchestra

@BlessedIsTheFruit ,

It is interesting that you are linking to Gil Schuster videos as his views are actually antithetical to yours. He actually studies conflict resolution. Here are some quotes:

‘Gil-Shuster: The Israelis assume they‘re always going to have power, meaning they have to retain control over the situation. When Palestinians answer, I think they are considering what their families would think is the right way to answer – what is socially acceptable. They feel they have to come across as very tough. They know they have no power. All they have is their ego, the confidence to say this is mine, because otherwise they would lose their identity.’

‘Gil-Shuster: If the politicians: there‘s your problem. You need leaders with vision. And at the moment, none of them – whatever their allegiance – has any idea of how to proceed. I can’t see any solution right now, but personally I would accept any solution that the majority on both sides were prepared to accept. I regard the two-state solution as the best one, because it is the solution everybody understands, though ultimately, a confederation might make more sense.’

Obviously, this is all pre 07/10.

He is using these videos to try and understand why views are what they are and understand both sides, which is laudable.

@PurpleThistle7 ,

I don’t think it was Uganda! I think it was an area between Kenya and Tanzania.

My grandparents on one side went to help found the Jewish state there. It clearly didn’t go to well, though.

Well apparently there was a plan for us to have Madagascar, Uganda or some desolate part of Siberia at one point or another. Am sure none of those options would be drama free. Jews can’t live in Melbourne or Manchester or Pittsburgh in peace so not sure they’d be able to live in Uganda without some crazy person trying to kill us. Way too late now regardless but interesting to think about.

My mother always says she feels safest in Israel as at least she knows where the enemy is.

So if they are not going to have the country of Israel, where can they have which will be a safe haven?

The irony is that Israel is not safe, it’s a war zone. Irrespective of whether the land ‘belongs’ to the Jews or not (and after so many years that’s irrelevant), the whole point of setting up a Jewish state was to provide a safe homeland for.

Who in their right mind ever thought there would be peace there?? Naive in the extreme.

I believe Jews should have a safe homeland. But not there where there has been fighting for years and sadly always will.

@BlessedIsTheFruit ,

‘Why do Jew haters call Israel Palestine then?’

For the same wrong reason as Israeli call The West Bank Judea and Samaria. Because they want the name to become the reality.

I don’t think either are OK.

The Cromwellian colonisation where the Irish were pushed westwards inn Ireland or transported to the Americas as forced labour.

The Anglo-Saxons tried damn hard to expel all the Romano-British. The Romano-British ended up north of the mountains in Scotland, West of the Mountains in Wales and some crossed to Ireland, and over the moors in the SW of Cornwall where some crossed over to Britanny and Scilly. It’s written in the DNA of British people even today.

But I do agree that calling it Judea and Samaria is fine as long as people still insist on calling Israel Palestine. Only allowing one of those would be intensely hypocritical.

I haven't reported anything. Not even the antisemitic posts. Chill.

However, I'm not surprised it was deleted. It was a very unpleasant post.

@BlessedIsTheFruit ,

I am quite an extreme free speech believer. I don’t even care about outright racism. I would far prefer to see people’s prejudices out front, so that they can be be exposed to examination and ridicule.

I only ever report personal attacks. I haven’t reported any posts on this thread.