Where do you think Jewish people come from?

Now let's try replacing fake facts and religion relating Islam instead of Judaism. The thread would be zapped in an instant.

Of course, nothing happens in a vacuum, but it is clear which direction Israel wants to take it, funded by America. It isn't about religion it is about money.

, which showed exactly what this war is all about, a land grab for profit. The fake facts and religion is a cover for greed by both America and Israel. Trying to white wash murder with "but my religion" is ridiculous.

And was anyone else involved in the war? Did anything happen round about this time of year, three years ago?
Obviously not, or you'd have mentioned it.

, which showed exactly what this war is all about, a land grab for profit. The fake facts and religion is a cover for greed by both America and Israel. Trying to white wash murder with "but my religion" is ridiculous.

And was anyone else involved in the war? Did anything happen round about this time of year, three years ago?
Obviously not, or you'd have mentioned it.

The problems with the settements in the WB are far deeper than who the land belong to. Creating enclaves of Israeli civil law in the middle of terriroty with millions of Palestinians living effectively under an Israeli military dictatorship (even those in PA areas are affected by Israeli military law) is problematic. Creating settlements in order to stymie a future Palestinian state is problematic. But then add to that a violent extremist messianic minority. And then add to that a far-right Israeli government who are not even enforcing Israeli civil law against the extreme settlers. I think that's been the push for the UK government.

So the concept of ‘Greater Israel’ doesn’t exist then ? In 2024 Netanyahu talked about his plans for after the Israel/Hamas war in Gaza and presented a map that fully annexed the West Bank. In 2025 he said in a TV interview that he was very much connected to a ‘complete Israel’ - a remark that sparked requests for clarification from Jordan and Egypt.

I am actually really appreciating the less extreme views of posters who are Jewish on here, it enables discussion and thoughtful dialogue.
For me adaption and change is inevitable as the human race. If you focus on the past you don't move forward. I think it would be interesting to know what the more right wing Jews feel about Russia and Ukraine, for example.

I was disgusted with Trump's casino strip plans for the WB and am amazed Israel wasn't angered by that, which showed exactly what this war is all about, a land grab for profit. The fake facts and religion is a cover for greed by both America and Israel. Trying to white wash murder with "but my religion" is ridiculous.

The answer to the question is that it varies.

I am ethnically an Ashkenazi Jew and that is officially an ethnicity and we do have enough genetically in common to suffer from higher percentages of certain genetic disorders. I believe the same is true of Sephardic Jews.

There has been a lot of ‘marrying out’ in the last couple of generations, though, which means that the genetic ‘purity’ is becoming rapidly diluted.

However, I am not sure that this gives me some automatic right to live where my genes originated 2,000+ years ago. After all, do we all get a right to live in Africa because that is where mankind is thought to have originated?!

I do believe that the Jewish homeland in Israel was a reasonable solution after the Holocaust, but it was a compromise, and totally unfair to the native Palestinian population. That doesn’t mean it shouldn’t stay, and remain Jewish. I think it should. However, it does mean that, for long term peace, a two state solution needs to be found which addresses everyone’s needs and aspirations.

I do see something in Israel in common with apartheid S.A, but it is a very imperfect model, as Arab’s within the 1967 borders have (almost) the same rights as Jews. Unfortunately, Netanyahu and his religious allies are doing their best to change this, and there is definitely discrimination on the ground. The occupied territories do, however have a lot in common with the black ‘homelands’ in S.A.

There is no easy solution and the international community has to engage fully to get the two sides to negotiate in good faith.

I see you are not even bothering to pretend you blame the Israeli government or army.

Accusing Jews in general of murdering babies is somewhat antisemitic. I’m quite glad you’ve not tried to hide it by pretending it’s only the zionists that are a problem and shown your true colours.

For the earlier poster who said they’d never witnessed antisemitism, the above is a great example.

Yes, exactly. But Northern Ireland took centuries to resolve... Things come and go. Back in the 90s, it was so close to a resolution. Eventually we might get back to a point where an agreement will become feasible again.

Their mother's vaginas.

You don't have a claim to a place just because your ancestors used to live there. I don't see America giving America back or the Australians giving Australia back etc etc.

I don't give a damn where your religion came from, I care that you're brutally murdering, torturing and raping people including children. It's not anti-Semitism because I think the same of all the men doing that shit no matter who you pray to. If your god is ok with that then I'd rather spend eternity in hell

The answer to the question is that it varies.

I am ethnically an Ashkenazi Jew and that is officially an ethnicity and we do have enough genetically in common to suffer from higher percentages of certain genetic disorders. I believe the same is true of Sephardic Jews.

There has been a lot of ‘marrying out’ in the last couple of generations, though, which means that the genetic ‘purity’ is becoming rapidly diluted.

However, I am not sure that this gives me some automatic right to live where my genes originated 2,000+ years ago. After all, do we all get a right to live in Africa because that is where mankind is thought to have originated?!

I do believe that the Jewish homeland in Israel was a reasonable solution after the Holocaust, but it was a compromise, and totally unfair to the native Palestinian population. That doesn’t mean it shouldn’t stay, and remain Jewish. I think it should. However, it does mean that, for long term peace, a two state solution needs to be found which addresses everyone’s needs and aspirations.

I do see something in Israel in common with apartheid S.A, but it is a very imperfect model, as Arab’s within the 1967 borders have (almost) the same rights as Jews. Unfortunately, Netanyahu and his religious allies are doing their best to change this, and there is definitely discrimination on the ground. The occupied territories do, however have a lot in common with the black ‘homelands’ in S.A.

There is no easy solution and the international community has to engage fully to get the two sides to negotiate in good faith.

But the discourse on this has to include what’s happening in Gaza. It’s not anti-semitic to include two genocides in the discussion. You’re asking about the jewish homeland; people are suggesting that Israelis indiscriminately killing and displacing the people who also live there is not helpful.
I completely agree that Israel is a home for Jewish people, going back millennia, and it is also a home for Palestinians, going back millennia.

People can’t expect to come on here and say ”how dare you discount the extermination of Jews in the 1930s and 40s” (which I haven’t actually seen anyone do on this thread. I think there is generally - for once- a good understanding of the constant discrimination and forced movement of Jews throughout history) and then immediately go on to say the genocide in Gaza is all a lie and propaganda, whilst movements are made to do the same thing in the West Bank.

You can’t have this discussion whilst pretending war/genocide surrounding this very subject is not happening right now

Any Jewish person has an automatic right to move to Israel and claim Israeli citizenship, and many do alongside their European citizenship. What is wrong with that?

I’m sure that ‘my stone is better than your stone’ was a thing too back then.

Thanks that is a very comprehensive explanation of land.

However, nearly all the land was state land and not privately held land and that passed to the state of Israel in 1948 when the brits left.

So do you think we (ie. UK gov) would know where that boundary was and that if they are sanctioning an illegal settlement (the one mentioned in the OP)- it probably is because it’s been illegally taken/ stolen (which ever word you please)?

Because that’s my assumption. The UK gov have a pretty high bar for Israel sanctions.

In prehistoric times everyone had stones and spears. Nowadays, things are decidedly more ‘asymmetric’.

Tribalism linked to religion and race has existed since humans existed. Even monkey colonies have rivalry between them.

The difference is that we are supposed to be the more ‘intelligent’ of the apes, yet we are still throwing stones and spears at each other like we did in prehistoric times. Nothing has changed except that the stones and spears are a little more deadly now.

No it's not. Ethiopian Jews have had a difficult time being accepted by some people in Israel due to racism.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-32813056