Where do you think Jewish people come from?

Did you not do sex ed at school… same place you came from…

Anyway you’d have to track back and if you go biblical Jesus was Jewish so where did he come from, or go back further to the reason for Passover, slaves being freed and crossing the desert, escaping being slaves in Egypt … that’s if you use religious tracking.

The archaeology also shows the Canaanite kingdoms that existed prior to the migration of the Jewish peoples to the region. Even the capital city- Jerusalem was originally a Canaanite city called by the Egyptians Rusilamum. It is mentioned often in the Amarna letters when Canaanite kingdoms were client kingdoms under Egypt.

King David conquered the Canaanites and captured Jerusalem around 1000BC for the Israelites who were just then giving up their nomadic lifestyle but we were not yet monotheistic Jews. The shift to worshipping only Yahweh started under King Josiah in the 700s BC.

The Koran was written in the late 600s AD, almost a thousand years after we had conquered Canaan and established the Jewish kingdoms.

My mother’s great grandparents were German immigrants. Does that mean I have the right to return and settle in Germany? Even further back we have some Icelandic ancestry, does that mean I should be permitted to erect a settlement in the centre of Reykjavik? Israel was a colonial project, which isn’t to say that it should cease to exist anymore than Nigeria should cease to exist…but the idea that Israelis have a right to settle any occupied land because they’re Jewish is obviously batshit unless you are claiming Jewish exceptionalism, which is also a colonial mindset.

Exactly. Read Simon Schama's books and his account of what happened to Jews of Yemen. It's total BS this love and harmony in the Arab world. There were good times ocassionally under tolerant and enlightened rulers. But, as ever, Jews were vulnerable to the foibles and whims of these rulers, just like in Europe.

They didn't all leave, there has always been a population of Jews in the region.

Most of them are not 'originally from here'. People went to the USA from all over Europe and beyond, not just the UK. I'm quite sure that the First Nation Americans hoped that the colonisers would give them their land back and bugger off.

Currently there are more Arabs living in Israel (enjoying an egalitarian society where women and queer people can do whatever they want and full voting rights and representation in the Knesset) than there are Jews living in the entirety of the 52 Muslim countries surrounding them. Israel has certainly done what it can to encourage peaceful coexistence by having it right there. The Muslim countries systematically kicked out their Jewish population over the last 50-100 years. Still not convinced Israel is the problem here.

"We don’t normally go round allocating land on the basis of who lived there 2000 years ago" but what you most certainly did do was constantly somewhere - for the entirety of that 2000 years - persectute, harrass, rape and genocide a vulnerable minority and refuse them refuge when they did try to escape to the point that they HAD NO CHOICE but to go back to their own homeland to get away from you all, a place they had always yearned to go back to and where there had always been a Jewish presence.

You mean like in Iran were Jews to this day don't have the same rights as their Muslim neighbours?

It was the same in the Arab world before they forcibly expelled hundreds of thousands of Jews. People who claim there has been peaceful cohabitation for centuries in the middle east often seem to gloss over the facts that while there was peace, it was only because Jews accepted that they were second class citizens. They had no other choice!

Yes because all Jews are meant to think like you. How many times are immigration threads asked to be taken down? It's OK to want those zapped though. If you cared about peace, you wouldn't be here joining in on making Jews feel like shit. Im not going to be guilt tripped for my views.

There is the problem right there. The people who think that the area was wholly devoid of Jews between AD70 and 1948.

The second diaspora happened later after the 3rd Judean-Roman war otherwise known as the Bar Kokhba Revolt in 132-136 AD. Around half a million Jews were killed by Hadrian’s armies, hundreds if Jewish villages were destroyed abd never rebuilt. Prisoners of war were enslaved while many survivors/refugees fled to Egypt. The practice of Judaism was outlawed.

Many surviving Jews also converted to paganism, then later to Christianity and then again later to Islam over the 1900 years between then and now.

I agree that you cannot claim right to land on the basis of your religion or a tenuous link to a diaspora over a millennium ago.

Not true at all.
Sniper- shot Palestinian children with targeted head and heart aimed bullets are well documented.

Yes, this is true. There is no conflict where children have not been killed and injured. And there is no conflict where war crimes have not been committeed, particularly when there is urban warfare with forces intentionally using civilian infrastructure. Then it's a certainty
It shouldn't happen but it does in almost every single war of this type.

No. And fortunately thats also not what happened or why there is conflict in Israel/Palestine.

There are huge deficiencies with Israel’s prosecution of crimes committed by the IDF, although that is something they share with the armed forces of many countries including the UK.

My DNA Ancestry test came up 100% Welsh. Does that mean I have the right to kick out any non Welsh people living in Wales?

I assume somewhere that is now in the region of Israel/West Bank because that’s where Jesus lived. But honestly I just assumed everywhere because in my mind it was the biggest religion pre Jesus.
probably wrong though.

And note that the IDF opened a criminal investigation, exactly because murdering children is not their policy.

‘actual genocide’ surely refers to the horror that people of Jewish faith/ancestry/ethnicity experienced when they were hunted down throughout Europe in the mid 20th century, being removed from their homes, communities and countries, taken to camps where the only purpose was to murder them, all of them, millions of them! Men, women and children taken from Germany, Poland, France, the Netherlands and more, killed because they were Jews. The aim was to totally exterminate them, remove them from the world. That is an ‘actual genocide’.

Yes, children have been targeted on both sides which is terrible. Even in war, children deserve protection. Yes, Hamas and others also target children but Israel should have higher standards of its soliders. The fact that there is a criminal investiation into the heartbreaking killing of that poor child, Hind Rajab, is a good step in that way at least.

There are plenty of documented examples of children being targeted by the IDF and people who seek to deny that don’t do their cause any service. People need to be open and honest about the actions of both sides, rather than adopting this stance that their side is entirely innocent and blameless.

I also wonder if there is a model of tolerant and democractic coexistance in the Arab world that could be used? Because I can't think of one country which has actually protected its minorities and is a mdel of liberal democracy which uphods women's and LBTQI rights. No Israeli (including Arab Israelis) wants to live in an extension of Syria.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crl7yjlpx2po

No-one deliberately murdered children except for Hamas and their camp followers. I'm guessing you don't mean them though, the usual free pass there.