Lucy Letby - Specifically those who think she is guilty…

Having seen all the evidence in Monday's documentary could you hand on heart say that you could have found her guilty beyond reasonable doubt if you were on that jury?

She may well be guilty but the test is 'beyond reasonable doubt' and there is certainly expert document after expert document of reasonable doubt.

Personally (and at the time of the trial!) I wouldn’t have convicted her based on the evidence available to the public because I studied statistics at university and I could see there was definitely reasonable doubt. I am not 100% confident she is innocent. But the way the data was ‘selected’, the overall trust’s safety record and behaviour and how so much more concrete having a scapegoat is than simply widespread negligence makes me have serious doubt.
The supposedly knock out evidence of the diaries were never at all conclusive to me because I had therapy and I’ve felt guilty about things that weren’t my fault. Feeling horribly guilty and being guilty are not the same thing.

If that’s the case I’m sure there will be a retrial. Until then for me, it’s conspiracy theory

I think stating that you want to be "a fly on the wall" at a murder trial, where multiple babies have died, is absolutely disgusting.

It's not some game for your entertainment. It's the devastating loss of babies.

It's no longer a conspiracy theory though is it?

That evidence should have been used as her defence at the trial

If it had done there is no way a jury would have convicted her beyond reasonable doubt. She may well still be guilty but if I had been on that jury and presented with all the evidence on both sides there is no way I could have said guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

Experts with huge amounts of experience are saying the same after seeing the full evidence.

Guilty or not, I do not think a jury selected from the population at random is able to understand medical evidence better than a panel of medical experts is.

Seems unlikely to me

The experts in the documentary say there is not enough evidence to say that a single one of the babies was definitely murdered.
They went through each method & not one could be proved & could be explained by natural causes.

There may not have been a single murder.

Im never going to agree with conspiracy theories on this so let’s just leave it there.

If the Jury had seen all the evidence that's cone to light since then I very much doubt they would have found her guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

I know the recent documentary was showing one side but that's what her defence should have been.

I don't think we will ever know now, unless she confesses to it.

Could well be the biggest miscarriage of justice ever seen

There is a rather big difference in the jury selected and the panel who convened.

There are problems, big problems, with the leading expert.

I could only find one article on this, and it suggests they think their baby may have contracted the virus from the hospital, which may well be true and clearly the hospital is to blame in part regardless, but it didn’t say they think the collapse of their baby wasn’t caused by Lucy. Just that the hospital made the baby ill in the first place.

The only documentary I want to watch is the one where every single manager and senior medic in that department gets investigated and thrown in jail along with her.

I think she’s guilty and won’t change my mind. For me there is no other explanation. People are saying that the ward of a poor standard but so are many many many of other NHS maternity departments, including the one I gave birth at, and the same thing hasn’t happened.

You say so many people ‘know their stuff’ but actually, she’s been found guilty something like 15 times, of 15 separate cases, so plenty of other people who found her guilty and have seen all the evidence also ‘know their stuff’.

My midwife sent a Facebook friend request to my husband which we thought was odd (I’m not on Facebook so I assume I’d have got one too if I was). Our DD (and me) almost died during that birth. I think some people just overstep or are nosey. It doesn’t have to be sinister.

I am in no doubt she’s guilty, and I’m in no doubt the hospital were failing in many ways with regards to neonatal baby care
Same here.

What are your thoughts on why she kept notes related to babies who hadn’t died? And also why some were in bin bags etc?
There could be 10s of reasons with none being evidence that she's not guilty.

It's for the prosecution to make their case of guilt beyond doubt. It doesn't mean that questioning everything that is not direct obvious evidence means the person is not guilty.

I strongly believe that her feelings for the doctor went beyond just obsession. She was so desperate to be loved and have a family that it became pathological. Her life revolve around him and getting his attention and affection. Nothing else mattered. And the best way to get it was by hurting the babies under their care.

Staff in hospitals don’t generally going round suspecting their colleagues of murdering patients. Just think for a minute about how high the bar must have been for those doctors to think ‘hang on, I think this nurse is harming these babies’.

Well, that is what a panel of people far more knowledgeable than me have stated @ToKittyornottoKitty .

I can’t tell people what to believe but I do find it odd that there’s so much incredulity in your posts when enough people who ‘know their stuff’ if you like have said this very thing - there were no murders.

It is a very troubling and disturbing case, and it’s certainly left me with an enormous sense of disquiet.

One of those dead babies parents believe the baby was killed by the water from the sewerage system.
Im not in agreement LL did or did not do this, but I have seen an article by the parents of one of the “murdered babies” which says they believe their child was killed by a virus contracted from the sewerage that was on the unit.

People really think it’s been made up that multiple babies were murdered, and attempted to be murdered, and this woman was framed? I think that’s silly.

I think people struggle to comprehend that this pretty white woman in a nice job in a position of trust could do something so horrific, and so they turn to conspiracy instead. She’s been found guilty for a reason.

Because a jury found her guilty 15 times.