Lucy Letby - Specifically those who think she is guilty…

This doctor only started working at the hospital after five of the seven babies had died. Only two of the fifteen cases she has been convicted for took place while he was on duty, if we look at testimony from the trial

A prosecution barrister flung in the accusation about her wanting his attention at cross-examination. You can make this sort of flimsy accusation in cross examination to try to draw out a response - it's not the same as building a case, which would have been pretty difficult based on the facts

This.

I went on a couple of dates with someone who was on the jury, he was an intelligent guy and very much convinced she was guilty. I think I'd believe that over FB 🤣 I do think there were also massive failings at the hospital.

I watched the documentary last night. The Sun investigative reporter apparently made it to convince people of her guilt but by the time he'd done extensive research and interviewing he was absolutely convinced she murdered no babies. I feel sure she's innocent now.

Could I just correct you on one point? The jury didn't find her guilty on all charges, there were several where they couldn't reach a verdict. The jury had sat through 9-10 months of detailed evidence, and took days to consider their verdict yet still felt there wasn't sufficient evidence to convict her on several of the charges but, obviously, found that she was guilty of the majority of the charges

I feel she's guilty, I respect the jury's verdict because of the length of time it took them and I think, because they were unable to say she was guilty of all of the charges, it shows how carefully they considered each case separately

She was found guilty by a jury of her peers. Of course she is guilty.

Was else happened to those babies? How else is it explained? Other than a MASSSSSSSSIVE, unfortunate coincidence?

I don't know if she's guilty or not but I think there's been enough doubts raised to warrant a review by the CCRC. I also have my doubts that a jury of ordinary people would be able to make sense of the extremely complex medical evidence involved in the deaths. The fact that there were obviously problems with the neonatal unit and how it was run, staffed and equipped just adds another layer of complexity.

Exactly this. This reminds me more of the Nicola Bulley disappearance than the Guildford Four.

Mobs jumping on the bandwagon and whipping each other up with lunatic theories they insist are evidence.

I agree completely. If this was a black male we were talking about far less would doubt it.

Sadly, people have a poor understanding of the judicial system.

The role of the defense is not to prove that the defendant is not guilty but to put forward enough doubt that the jury can't find the defendant guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

That does NOT mean that the defendant didn't do what they are accused of.

People are desperate to act as amateur defendant lawyers. That's fine but pointing out elements of doubts doesn't equate to the defendant being inevitably innocent.

I totally agree - same with accountancy fraud.

She sounds like a very complex and not very stable personality, a shame her problems weren’t picked up during training when issues were raised that could have indicated she was unsuited to such intense and emotionally draining work.

I have no doubt she is guilty, I do have doubts about her mental capacity.

The conspiracy stuff on this is nuts. The barrister who speaks on her behalf does not persuade me. He is not lawyerly or measured.

A jury sat through months and months of evidence and convicted her of the vast majority of all the charges against her.

Every normal appeal channel has failed - if there was ANY chance that there was new evidence or flaws in her conviction I do think leave to appeal would have been granted.

People don’t want it to be true. The idea that this number and severity of collapses in small but not otherwise unwell babies could suddenly cluster in this way could not be caused by the (sadly common) shortcomings of a neonatal unit. Babies don’t die like this and it was soon clear to the consultants that something very odd was going on.

The fact that she is white, blonde, young, attractive plays huge part in the movement behind her
IMO.

The emotional affair with the doctor, her attention seeking messages after the deaths , Facebook searches on the babies’ families suggest to me she became addicted to the drama when a baby collapsed and died. The medical notes she had at home by the bucket load - hugely incriminating to me. Souvenirs. Every clinician has patient confidentiality drummed into them - those were delicately taken at the time. couldn’t have been a mistake. One sheet maybe - not the volume that were found.

These notes are being at her home is not something that can be explained by stress during the subsequent investigation. Whereas all the scribbled notes - they could have been as as result of that stress so I am less compelled by them.

Far from being a scapegoat (doctors blaming nurses to cover up their clinical failures) - sadly I think the nurse managements strident defence of her stopped her being halted earlier and made doctors afraid of voicing their fears.

She is guilty IMO

The only documentary I want to watch is the one where every single manager and senior medic in that department gets investigated and thrown in jail along with her
Why?

I’m more curious about why so many, let’s face it white women, don’t accept that that a plain, mousy brown haired, white woman, killed these babies and won’t accept the conviction.

Isn't that the case with every murder trial though?
All juries can do is examine the evidence they see and make a judgement. Then if new evidence comes up after the trial they present that and appeal.

But it’s not one verdict is it? It’s fifteen.

Having done jury service (not for a murder trial) I would not have wanted to be on the jury for this case. I was heavily pregnant and very tired but ended up being foreperson because no one else would do it. I would not have wanted any evidence in a trial where I was the defendant being considered by the jury I was on. The whole experience really knocked my belief in the jury system - if one or two people on the jury have a fixed mindset and won't listen to evidence or reason from their fellow jurors you are basically stuffed.
Most of my jury were decent people who could listen and put forward their views based on the evidence, a couple were not and would not listen to anything. They were very young and really came across as not mature enough to be in this role.
After the experience the thing I most wanted to do was ask the judge what her view was (guilty /not guilty) as because of these two people on the jury we could not deliver the verdict the rest of us wanted to. It was a enlightening and extremely frustrating and quite stressful experience (not something you want just before you have a baby!)

The long and short of it is that I have not followed this trial but I would not feel confident in any verdict by a jury in a case this complicated and where experts are not in agreement.i would not want to be put in this position as a juror. I suggest a case like this should be decided by a panel of 3 or 5 judges who are used to seeing the kind of technical evidence etc this would have involved. It should not be about persuading a jury there is enough doubt.
I have no idea if she is guilty or if the babies were actually murdered, it's all such a big mess. Poor families

I agree with this. Everyone seems to be forgetting about the parents of the babies who died and how they must feel when this is constantly in the media.

I have no interest in this case but just wanted to say that I agree with this 100%

She is guilty however if the proper protocols and systems etc were in place at that hospital less babies would have suffered. People take advantage of situations in their favour and sadly the advantage for letby were the failings in the Chester.

I honestly don’t know how I feel about LL…I just can’t work out whether she did it or not.

Part of me wonders if she was just bad at her job and accidentally injected air into the bloodstream, etc.

I think, due to the nature of the case, there was a lot of pressure to convict.

I would need CCTV of her doing something to not have any doubts

She was found guilty of mass murder and is serving 15 whole life orders. That probably has something to do with it.

It's up to the course to decide not social media, or books and documentaries or people who just feeling that she must be innocent. Obviously they are written from a particular view point. The courts and the appeal courts have the evidence.
I have no view I haven't seen all the impartial evidence.
But I do feel extremely sorry for the parents of the babies who died and I think some of Lucy Letby's supporters have behaved very badly with no thought about how hard it is for parents whose wishes should come first. The mob were shouting very loudly outside the building when Justice Thiriwell was reporting her findings. The grieving parents were also in the room trying to listen to the findings. They had no thought for the still grieving parents.
If she is innocent then the way to prove it is present evidence and do it through the courts. If the evidence is strong enough she will be allowed to appeal.