To absolutely hate this government, and what they are doing to our country? PART 2

She's claiming not to have a clue what the question I asked her was - that she chose to ignore despite being active on the thread at the time.

Not got a clue about what ?

UK immigration ? Actually I do. DP and DD are not British passport holders. So I do know a bit about UK immigration rules.

You didn't answer the question I asked, which was a simple factual one. I'll draw my own conclusions.

The DA isn’t a factor. Any EU country that is hardline uses domestic policies.

Can you cite any EU country that has used the DA to even get close to dealing with migration / asylum issues?

If you can I’ll have a look.

They imprison babies and small children in these detention centres in overcrowded cells, with mouldy food and a lack of basic supplies such as nappies. Unlike you, I certainly don't want such cruel and inhumane policies and practices in the UK.

Hopefully there are enough decent people in the UK so that there won't be a genuine will to do the same.

We did indeed have high asylum claims before Brexit. But the asylum claims increased as a result of Brexit.

Also, there we had the highest rate of rejection in the EU, and there were more things we could have done should we have chosen to, but we didn't.

CoventryCity I don't really want a load of undocumented men coming here either (though happy with immigrants through the proper routes and work with a couple of excellent ones)

However

Parties like Reform are implying that asylum seekers on small boats are responsible for about 50% of the UK's problems and that Reform will get into power and easily solve it

Whereas in reality: Small boats are more likely responsible for about 0.5% of the UK's problems and neither the Tories nor Labour found it easy to solve and neither will Reform

True, but when certain actions exacerbated the problem in the UK, that is definitely causation.

And the lorries were fixed by using Co2 probes.

Small boats can be fixed as well. Just takes time to do the deals to shut down the factories making them, and the people selling them. And that is what is happening. It was happening under the Tories, and is being continued under labour.

All while Farage and palls are in the news yelling "OPEN BORDERS".

I asked her a very direct, factual question. She chose not to answer it.

No because we had high asylum claims pre Brexit just via lorries. And no other countries use the DA to return people en masse, unless you can think of one.

The EU countries that are hardline are using domestic policies not the DA.

Ah. You must be an "elite" like me then :-)

You know, wanting to stick to the point rather than doing a tour of the tunnels in Watership Down.

I used to debate flat earthers. They do the same as the OP.

But it hasn't gone up. Even the source you quoted in the previous thread says asylum applications have reduced. Per my post above.

Pre Brexit we had an amount of immigration. Post Brexit that amount increased. As a direct result of Brexit. That's why people mention it as a factor. Because it is. Is it the only factor? No. Is it a significant factor? Yes.

Brexit is definitely a factor for irregular immigration as the statistics show. Numbers increased when the French stopped doing anything their side. Also, Boris (I think it was Boris, so many of them have introduced stupid things, it is hard to recall which particular idiot introduced which stupid thing) decided it would be a good thing to change the law so that you have to be on UK soil before you can apply for asylum. That one isn't Brexit related, but it is government stupidity.

I think the difficulty is that everyone seems to lump together asylum seekers / irregular migrants / illegal migrants and yet they are all tracked and handled differently, and with greater or lesser levels of success.

@StandFirm weird how the narrative is the Tories don’t raise taxes