To absolutely hate this government, and what they are doing to our country? PART 2

One thing on discourse is both sides use it. The malign actors, far right, Starmer type rhetoric just makes people who want a change made more frustrated.

Just to be clear, I'm not a die-hard Labour supporter, and in fact I'm mostly minded to vote for anyone who would keep Reform away from power in the next election (although, that said, some of the populist nonsense the Conservatives have been coming out with over the last few days has given me pause for thought on that).

So, my interest is not at all in what will 'tide Labour over for a bit', and very much in how we set about lifting our political discourse from the gutter, stopping the demonisation and dehumanisation of vulnerable people, calming community tensions, and making this feel like a tolerant and stable country.

Do you not think it should be zero crossings? Were you in favour of people being smuggled in to the UK in the back of lorries?

Vulnerable people include women. Whatever your political persuasion is, nobody can deny that - no matter which type of men they are most in danger from. In trying to silence them (and girls) that's amounting to dehumanisation. It's not just the 'far' right whipping up division.

Just to be clear, I'm not a die-hard Labour supporter, and in fact I'm mostly minded to vote for anyone who would keep Reform away from power in the next election (although, that said, some of the populist nonsense the Conservatives have been coming out with over the last few days has given me pause for thought on that).

So, my interest is not at all in what will 'tide Labour over for a bit', and very much in how we set about lifting our political discourse from the gutter, stopping the demonisation and dehumanisation of vulnerable people, calming community tensions, and making this feel like a tolerant and stable country.

I think the ‘malign actors’ line might tie Labour over for a bit if numbers stay lower.

But if they go up, and they can, this week has 1000 again, it won’t be enough.

I’m fine with answering some posters. If people can’t ask without the usual then there’s other posters for them.

Why are these posts always with this style? Are you able to ask for more information without that?

Care to let us in on what these are? I'm sure the government would also like to know.

What is the magic wand that will make the trafficking stop?

So you can deny someone entering the country then?

What’s wrong with zero? It would mean zero deaths at sea for a start.

There’s other ways to give refuge if people still want to. Which doesn’t involve traffickers, violence and risk.

And you know Australia has its own versions of the Tommy Ten names groups? And they have the demonstrations with the far right.

Example here from last year -

Anti-immigration protests: How the March for Australia rallies unfolded (sbs.com.au)

In fact... they took some pre-emptive action about that, back in 2019. A preventative measure of sorts.

‘Tommy Robinson’ banned from entering Australia | The National (thenationalnews.com)

Seems a good action to me. Is he not living in Spain these days with an Irish passport ?

Big picture at play. Follow world news, not just GB news. Fit a wide angle lens on the camera.

Yes, not quite as simple as you make out is it?

I don't think being poor ever excuses murder and the taking of another life? Do you?

First you’d need a mandate to only have a court system for here. As Australia have.

That’ll take votes. There’s no point in demanding it without voting for the legal changes that are needed.

@EasternStandard I appreciate your response, thankyou. But again my understanding is the British navy are against using push back techniques. So, to me this is another example of how on the surface there may seem to be an easy solution but the realities are much more difficult and complex.

Fundamentally, I believe malign actors are pretending there’s an obvious solution to the migrant crisis in order to fuel hatred and division and I simply do not think we should let them.

I am not talking about distances, it's about location and as you say legal jurisdiction

If the Australia sytem was as easy to replicate as you say, it would have been done.

Can you say more about the distance of the recent crossings and those to Australia

People have a misconception it’s much further.

The reason isn’t what you say, it’s that they have their own court system.

Most people would not vote to go back to what we have now if Australia’s system was used. Incidentally it has been said the crossing distance was further but now with Channel crossings from much further away it’s about the same.

The boat last week was in the sea for 30 hours.

Are these the 'cold hard facts' you want me to respond to @Brudffaa ?

Firstly, who are the 'certain group?' That might help.

Secondly, can you not think of any intersecting realities that might contribute to higher crime rates for 'certain groups' in the US? Poverty, educational disadvantage, regional disparities, urban v. rural distributions, structural racism - off the top of my head - that might contribute to disproportionate crime rates?

And by 'certain group,' am I to assume you mean an ethnic group? In which case, were many of the 'certain group' not born in the US anyway? Immigrant, first gen, fifth gen - who exactly are this 13% of the US population?

Yes perhaps Wales and Scotland but England has one of the highest population density figures in Europe, bar micro states.

From what I understood, I thought naval commanders were of the opinion that manoeuvring fragile, crowded dinghies on the rough, crowded seas of the channel was likely to cause capsizing and mass casualties. But if that has changed, then perhaps there is a sensible, pragmatic conversation to be had about the safest way to turn boats back in a way that protects, rather than costs lives.

But you must understand how hard it is to have any pragmatic, compassionate discussion about this when people are minimising a man convicted of knife crimes bringing a knife to a mass gathering as if it’s legitimate protest; and arguing that government statistics are made up; and spouting bizarre conspiracy theories that the government are somehow, for some unspecified reason deliberately letting the people trafficking continue.

Yes perhaps Wales and Scotland but England has one of the highest population density figures in Europe, bar micro states.