Page 20 | To absolutely hate this government, and what they are doing to our country? PART 2

CoventryCity · 2026-09-22T09:14:36+00:00

A continuation of Thread 1. Strong words but is is how I feel at this point in time. All of them make me feel physically sick. Why? Well many reasons.. Here are just two. Eg. They won't release sex crime statistics of immigrants / asylum seekers. Why? Other European countries have done, and it is not pretty. Our gvt gives out a leaflet asking them not to rape the locals. Why? Our gvt has said they won't house asylum seekers next to schools and nurseries, why? Eg. UK now spends more on benefits than it earns in income tax. Labour have increased this - not reduced it. Astonishing. As they say - *"Who can we tax in order to pay benefits to others?"* That's Labour's Welfare Secretary. He's describing the priorities of Labour MPs. In the last financial year, the UK government brought in £331 billion in income tax — and spent even more, £333 billion, on welfare, according to the Office for Budget Responsibility's latest economic and fiscal outlook (https://obr.uk/efo/economic-and-fiscal-outlook-march-2026/#chapter-6). Previous thread [[https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5580786-to-absolutely-hate-this-government-and-what-they-are-doing-to-our-country?page=40&reply=154902611 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5580786-to-absolutely-hate-this-government-and-what-they-are-doing-to-our-country?page=40&reply=154902611&utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share]]

EasternStandard · 24/09/2026 12:10

CoventryCity · 24/09/2026 11:53

This is interesting. Yorkshire Police have responded to a FoI request asking about sex crimes nationalities. Yorkshire Police has a background in all this after all, so they’ve done the right thing for once.

02/2025
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FOI 2355119-25
We received a request under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (FOIA):

Please could you provide me with a breakdown of the nationalities of foreign nationals arrested for alleged sexual offences since 1 January 2024.

Our Response:
Please see the table below showing Charges for rape and sexual assault, for all non-UK nationals, 01/01/2024 to 31/12/2024.

Not had time to look at this in detail yet, but the table is interesting.

https://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/freedom-of-information/february-2025-foi-2355119-25-sexual-crimes-committed-non-uk-nationals

If they have similar comparative figures from the MoJ I can see why they’re spending on an appeal rather than releasing.

This didn’t reach the press but the MoJ data would.

BIWI · 24/09/2026 12:10

... and is that data for all UK or just West Yorkshire?

EasternStandard · 24/09/2026 12:09

Gtfto2024 · 24/09/2026 12:07

I'm pretty sure they will change as facts become available.
@RedTagAlan appears open to factual information and adaptable with evidence.

They don't keep repeating the same selective debunked and nonsensical posts repeatedly without growth or learning and understanding..

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Can you be specific on what is incorrect about the tribunal process outlined below?

Not just follow Alan for whatever reason.

BIWI · 24/09/2026 12:07

Sorry - I misread that table. Does 'all nationalities' therefore mean UK plus non-UK? Or do we have a separate figure for UK only?

Gtfto2024 · 24/09/2026 12:07

EasternStandard · 24/09/2026 11:51

Not sure his posts will change much.

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I'm pretty sure they will change as facts become available.
@RedTagAlan appears open to factual information and adaptable with evidence.

They don't keep repeating the same selective debunked and nonsensical posts repeatedly without growth or learning and understanding..

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CoventryCity · 24/09/2026 11:53

This is interesting. Yorkshire Police have responded to a FoI request asking about sex crimes nationalities. Yorkshire Police has a background in all this after all, so they’ve done the right thing for once.

02/2025
FOI reference
FOI 2355119-25
We received a request under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (FOIA):

Please could you provide me with a breakdown of the nationalities of foreign nationals arrested for alleged sexual offences since 1 January 2024.

Our Response:
Please see the table below showing Charges for rape and sexual assault, for all non-UK nationals, 01/01/2024 to 31/12/2024.

Not had time to look at this in detail yet, but the table is interesting.

https://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/freedom-of-information/february-2025-foi-2355119-25-sexual-crimes-committed-non-uk-nationals

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EasternStandard · 24/09/2026 11:51

placemats · 24/09/2026 11:50

Keep up the excellent posts. Many thanks.

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Not sure his posts will change much.

placemats · 24/09/2026 11:50

RedTagAlan · 24/09/2026 08:44

What post below ? As a matter of interest, does your device scroll from bottom to top with post order ?

Anyway. " Internal process" is just a term I used. Yes the ICO has enforcement power, and the power of a court to act on that, but it is not a court where you will find yourself if caught speeding.

Semantics I know, and if you don't like the term "internal process" then feel free to use your own.

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Keep up the excellent posts. Many thanks.

EasternStandard · 24/09/2026 11:48

RedTagAlan · 24/09/2026 11:41

Agree.

Although to be clear, I have never stated it is not a cover up. To me it looks to be just the normal process. And I will say, that there is a connection between the FOI request and the amendment to the sentencing bill that Reform proposed. As in, Reform knew it would be voted against. So performative. A shared agenda there.

And as I said a few pages up, It's odd that Richard Jenrick is on the bandwagon, he was in Government after all. In the Home Office no less. So he could have had the data added to the "to be published" list.

I found this. It is out of date. But it is a list of Tribunal cases. And wow, that is an awful lot of cover ups, if that is what they are. And with that many, it looks to me that they are not coverups.

Information rights appeals: Register of tribunal cases - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk )

I can certainly see the case from the Government point of view. In terms of privacy etc.

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Your list will be citizens too.

For the gov it’s rare they don’t accept the ICO and usually they lose as the tribunal goes for maximum transparency.

The specific figures for the number of times government departments have appealed to the tribunal across the last few years highlight how rare it is:

Under 5% appeal rate: This means the government chooses to accept the ICO's transparency rulings—even if they dislike them—more than 95% of the time, opting for a costly legal battle only in exceptional circumstances.

Historically, when central government departments take a case to the tribunal, they lose approximately 60% to 70% of the time.

RedTagAlan · 24/09/2026 11:43

EasternStandard · 24/09/2026 11:19

It does matter which as the outcome will be legally binding. The ICO rejected Labour’s claims on costs and data.

It takes more effort and cost to appeal than publish.

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Have you costed it all ? Can you share your costings on that ?

RedTagAlan · 24/09/2026 11:41

5128gap · 24/09/2026 11:17

Personally I couldn't care less if the challenge is happening in court, tribunal, magistrates or supreme, as part of an internal process or whether they're tossing a coin for it.
The pertinent parts you have clarified for me is what exactly is being disputed and why. Which makes it very clear there is no 'cover up'.

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Agree.

Although to be clear, I have never stated it is not a cover up. To me it looks to be just the normal process. And I will say, that there is a connection between the FOI request and the amendment to the sentencing bill that Reform proposed. As in, Reform knew it would be voted against. So performative. A shared agenda there.

And as I said a few pages up, It's odd that Richard Jenrick is on the bandwagon, he was in Government after all. In the Home Office no less. So he could have had the data added to the "to be published" list.

I found this. It is out of date. But it is a list of Tribunal cases. And wow, that is an awful lot of cover ups, if that is what they are. And with that many, it looks to me that they are not coverups.

Information rights appeals: Register of tribunal cases - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk )

I can certainly see the case from the Government point of view. In terms of privacy etc.

Welcome to GOV.UK

GOV.UK - The best place to find government services and information.

http://www.gov.uk

shecanbe · 24/09/2026 11:38

This OP could just ask an enhanced AI to review all evidence on migrants/ sex crimes and totally avoid all of this.

EasternStandard · 24/09/2026 11:32

shecanbe · 24/09/2026 11:30

I've said all I have to say.
I do think OP could just ask her questions on an AI forum. Rather than just posting articles on here - get AI to assess the overall evidence for her instincts / views about migrants.

Ok goodo re the first part. The AI rendition is unnecessary but you’ve put it up now.

shecanbe · 24/09/2026 11:30

I've said all I have to say.
I do think OP could just ask her questions on an AI forum. Rather than just posting articles on here - get AI to assess the overall evidence for her instincts / views about migrants.

EasternStandard · 24/09/2026 11:24

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Interesting that you’d do this. I’ve seen posts re people using AI in this way on specific posters.

Probably better to try to counter without this.

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EasternStandard · 24/09/2026 11:19

5128gap · 24/09/2026 11:17

Personally I couldn't care less if the challenge is happening in court, tribunal, magistrates or supreme, as part of an internal process or whether they're tossing a coin for it.
The pertinent parts you have clarified for me is what exactly is being disputed and why. Which makes it very clear there is no 'cover up'.

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It does matter which as the outcome will be legally binding. The ICO rejected Labour’s claims on costs and data.

It takes more effort and cost to appeal than publish.

5128gap · 24/09/2026 11:17

RedTagAlan · 24/09/2026 11:08

You said my posts were full of errors, and there was claims posted about misinformation too.

But you are stuck on the semantics of the ICO tribunal being a regular court of law.

I think that is about it then, As I said, we need to wait and see.

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Personally I couldn't care less if the challenge is happening in court, tribunal, magistrates or supreme, as part of an internal process or whether they're tossing a coin for it.
The pertinent parts you have clarified for me is what exactly is being disputed and why. Which makes it very clear there is no 'cover up'.

EasternStandard · 24/09/2026 11:12

RedTagAlan · 24/09/2026 11:08

You said my posts were full of errors, and there was claims posted about misinformation too.

But you are stuck on the semantics of the ICO tribunal being a regular court of law.

I think that is about it then, As I said, we need to wait and see.

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Yes it’s a part of the U.K. court system not the ICO. Yep that’s about it wait and see.

ilovesooty · 24/09/2026 11:12

ThatMauveHelper · 24/09/2026 10:59

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c89g293zj2ko

what about these then? is this more your bag? - youngest was 13

or these?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj63p89025no

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Referring to "more your bag" is offensive in this context whichever side of the argument it's directed to. @CoventryCity might have started it but it doesn't help to follow suit.

RedTagAlan · 24/09/2026 11:08

EasternStandard · 24/09/2026 10:51

Labour can only take it to another appeal on a point of law.

If they lose they’ll have to publish or will be in contempt of court, at which point the High court can order them to.

Why that last line of misinformation idk, it’s integral to the UK court system.

You’re still getting muddled.

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You said my posts were full of errors, and there was claims posted about misinformation too.

But you are stuck on the semantics of the ICO tribunal being a regular court of law.

I think that is about it then, As I said, we need to wait and see.

ilovesooty · 24/09/2026 11:08

CoventryCity · 24/09/2026 10:51

Are these guys more your bag, Blossom?

Three men who raped woman on Brighton beach jailed

The woman had been separated from her friends on a night out when two of the men took her behind a beach hut and raped her, while the third went to the location moments later and captured footage of the gang rape.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyv0vqp04pgo

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What do you mean by "more your bag"?

TemperanceWest · 24/09/2026 11:04

CoventryCity · 24/09/2026 10:51

Are these guys more your bag, Blossom?

Three men who raped woman on Brighton beach jailed

The woman had been separated from her friends on a night out when two of the men took her behind a beach hut and raped her, while the third went to the location moments later and captured footage of the gang rape.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyv0vqp04pgo

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What a horrible thing to say Those scum rapists aren't anyone's "bag".

5128gap · 24/09/2026 11:04

Teddybear23 · 24/09/2026 10:32

Why do the government refer to the state pension as a benefit then? They HAVE talked about means testing it.

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Because it is a benefit.
There are 2 categories of benefits. Contributory (you gain eligibility through paying enough NI contributions) and non contributory (paid dependent on specific circumstances regardless of what you've paid in)
The non contributory kind are usually means tested, so only paid if you have a financial need. (But not always, PIP being an example.)
Contributory benefits are not means tested as the principle is your contributions guarantee your right to them whether you 'need' them or not. SRP is in this category. Shifting the goal posts on this to make contributory benefits means tested would be a very big deal politically. I doubt any party would take the risk.

EasternStandard · 24/09/2026 11:03

ThatMauveHelper · 24/09/2026 10:59

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c89g293zj2ko

what about these then? is this more your bag? - youngest was 13

or these?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj63p89025no

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How does this mean that the gov shouldn’t put in a better system for entry to the country?